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this hope radio for the masses Atlanta

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this July 8 1947 we're on the airport

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from person I've been applying this -

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found and is now in the possession of

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the RA the game is rigged change the

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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fade to black with your host Jimmy

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church on the game-changer Radio Network

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a bunker that is somewhere in the middle

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of beautiful downtown Burbank California

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now Elijah - welcome everybody listening

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all around the world

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they're a tiller to and fro back and

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this is fade to black for kjc are the

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Merrill's to be Church what is crackin

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what an amazing week we've got coming up

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on day two black tonight Nick Pope in

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the start off Monday with Nick Pope he's

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Rendlesham revelations and of course

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release of three UFO videos by the Navy

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and Pentagon that were officially

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released a couple of weeks ago and we'll

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talk about that and all of the latest

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UFO and UAP news from around the world

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tomorrow night right here on this very

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program Gregg Housh is back we had Greg

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on a few weeks ago but at that time the

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events didn't happen now Greg is our guy

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Greg as our are hacking expert and he is

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gonna be here tomorrow night to discuss

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the recent hack of a New York Attorney

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where when they originally hacked this

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entertainment firm out of New York

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entertainment law firm in the world they

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threatened the ransom demanded a ransom

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of 21 million dollars over the weekend

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they released a couple of gigabytes of

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Lady Gaga's private files from this law

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a lot they've got like seven or eight

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hundred gigabytes of files and they said

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doubling it the hack was by our evil and

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this week or we are going to drop some

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with that we have to chatrooms one over

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about to say okay listen it's been 100

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which one expert says is evidence that

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we are entering a phase called the solar

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minimum there there have been whispers

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11 years sunspots fade away bringing a

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period of relative calm now this doesn't

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give you a holy crap moment listen the

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NASA report said in 2014 that there was

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a high rate of sunspots and solar flares

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the article said the Sun doesn't become

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dull during these times rather solar

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activity simply changes form

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now dr. Tony Phillips an astronomer says

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that the solar minimum is underway and

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it is a deep one some theorized that a

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lingering solar minimum could result in

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crop loss famine and brutal cold the

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indicate that even if we do enter a

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phase called the grand solar minimum it

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global warming caused by human

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absolutely incredible now before we go

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all alarmist and freak out it's always

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been about if you had a choice

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death I don't know do you want to not be

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able to farm and freeze out the planet

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because you've been crying about global

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warming which I understand but the grass

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is always greener isn't it well now you

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well yesterday Elon Musk was at it again

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triggered an online storm urging the

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public to take the red pill the matrix

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reference got him showered and praised

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but the creators of the iconic movie

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were not amused I cannot say that was

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said get the family program the new

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cryptic message from the billionaire who

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has reportedly tweeted and repeatedly

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said bizarre things lately

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arrived yesterday afternoon now unlike

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the lengthy and even less coherent

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threads musk produced in the past this

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time he stuck to short form worthy of a

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true masterpiece it simply said take the

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red pill and then posted a red rose

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emoji right next to it the obvious

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matrix reference has been popular for

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many years right everybody says take the

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red pill but it's associated with

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getting woke this woke still a thing I

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don't even know if I was ever woke I'm

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not even cool enough to say woke but

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ever we move past woke the message

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exploded on Twitter yesterday getting

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over 300,000 likes and more than 20,000

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replies outdoing even the success of

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his recent Tesla stock price is too high

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that rant there you go well just in case

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you are getting too comfy with global

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warming and the impending ice age and

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coronavirus and lockdown and everything

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else check this out

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NASA's Center for near Earth object

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studies is warning that not one but two

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asteroids are headed towards Earth

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tonight another one is expected to come

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close to us early tomorrow morning all

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three of the near-earth asteroids are

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expected to make close approaches at

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some point between tonight May 18th and

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tomorrow May 19th at speeds between

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first of this week's incoming asteroids

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it's called 2020 je2 has a diameter of

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56 feet or the equivalent of two London

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buses one in front of the other and will

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fly past us roughly at 219 p.m. Eastern

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Daylight Time and a mercifully the safe

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distance of 500 24,000 miles or twice

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the distance between the Earth and the

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moon now less than an hour later all

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right

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less than an hour later 2020 hg9 the

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biggest of the three surpassing the

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Statue of Liberty will shoot past us not

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coming within 3.7 million miles of Earth

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the last but not the least the 66 foot

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wide to 20 ka will bring up the rear

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early tomorrow morning at a relatively

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slow 13,000 miles per hour but at a nice

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safe cushy distance of four hundred and

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seventy six thousand miles yeah that's

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crazy isn't it these were discovered

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this year

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trippy the Starworks UFOs an artificial

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intelligence conference in Laughlin

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Nevada coming up November 5th through

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the 8th is happening with Grant Cameron

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Paul Hynek James Fox alan stivell Minh

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Syd Goldberg yours truly Rita's going to

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be

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they're the fade to black crew and

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another dozen great speakers I want you

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to visit Starworks usa.com for tickets

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and info got a lot of great things

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planned we're gonna be doing a fade to

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black sky watch we're gonna do - I think

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the first night this is this is Rita's

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thing I think Thursday night we're gonna

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have a private one yeah yeah did I just

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say that a secret one and then Friday

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night a full-on full-on sky watch at a

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really cool location with petroglyphs so

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that is going to be going down that

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Friday go to Starworks usa.com for

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tickets and info James Fox is gonna be

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there with his movie the phenomenon

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you're gonna want to see it star works

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usa.com also the disclosure fest event

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at the historic Los Angeles Park it

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looks like okay now I'm not for sure

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here I'm not for sure yeah we move the

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date from June 20th to August 8th we may

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now have to move the August 8th date

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into September and it may even lead into

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October if it happens in October it'll

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be on my birthday

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I'm 1010 that'll be cool yeah that'll be

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cool Rita we can celebrate my birthday

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at disclosure fest that'll be pretty

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cool man Rita would love that all right

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where are we at disclosure fest dot-org

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happy birthday - today Tina Fey is 50

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Keyboard god no joke rick wakeman

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today is 71 years old I'm not even sure

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of the greatest Rick Wakeman song man

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that takes some thinking

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it does it does it might the answer

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might be anything off of yes songs

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martica remember martica toy soldiers

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today martica is 51 Albert Hammond today

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is 76 one of the great voices and song

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writers in the his

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three of the music business Albert

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Hammond had you know that hit chasing

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all the time it never rains in Southern

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California but other hits written by

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Albert that you may not have known check

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this out

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nothing's gonna stop us now by starship

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one moment in time by Whitney Houston

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the air that I breathe by the Hollies to

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all the girls I loved before by Julio

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Iglesias and Willie Nelson and when I

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need you by Leo Sayer happy birthday

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Albert Hammond on the state history

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ot D 1980 mount st. Helens that's right

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some say a mountain some call it a

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volcano some say a volcanic peak in

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southwestern Washington erupts killing

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57 people and devastating some 210

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square miles of wilderness I remember

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when it happened I'm reading it and they

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said I remember a fact like this and it

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always stuck in my head it was something

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to the effect of well Mount st. Helens

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blasted like 10 cubic miles of dirt and

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rock into the air some crazy number

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maybe it was one mile it was ten but all

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I know is I couldn't put it in my head

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just imagining that all right crazy

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fader fact their British Royal Society

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of Chemistry recommends adding tea to

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milk and not the other way around as

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adding milk to tea results in

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significant denaturation that's right

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adversely affecting the flavor of the

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milk I wonder if it's the same for

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coffee or coffee creamers that don't

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have cream I don't know for me I always

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add coffee to my creamer that's how I do

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it I figured that out quite by accident

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tonight Nick Pope is here tomorrow night

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Gregg Housh Wednesday night Robert

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Schoch Thursday night Linda Moulton Howe

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there is no fate or night this week

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we've got four straight nights of

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amazing guests now let me hit those

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fade to black has always been about

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freedom of speech and yes is at the top

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spot in our Constitution contained in

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the First Amendment it is there for many

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reasons but mainly to ensure that we can

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express our opinions without worrying

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about the government stepping in

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throwing us in jail or with or without

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censorship or or any of that you know

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think about that now speaking out and

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saying what you want will often lead to

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you losing your friends maybe your

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employment but you won't spend a day

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behind bars because of it

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now freedom of speech is reserved for

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things that matter that are important to

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both the individual and to the country

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what is considered importance well the

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government corporations entertainment

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like a movie review and say what you

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want sports religion and generally just

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about anything that means seem relevant

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to you and you want others to know about

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it what isn't important or covered under

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the freedom of speech is personal

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attacks personal attacks directed at

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someone that you don't like or you want

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to get even with and lying lying is not

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covered in the freedom of speech

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categories of speech that are given

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lesser or no protection by the First

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Amendment and therefore may be

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restricted include right obscenity fraud

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child pornography speech integral to

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illegal conduct speech that incites

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imminent lawless action speech that

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violates intellectual property law true

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threats and commercial speech such as

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advertising you have to remember when

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these things were included in our

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Constitution you have to because back

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then obviously there was no internet

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electricity phones and television

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freedom of speech was presented for

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those who wanted to protest make signs

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journalists or anyone standing on the

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corner and yelling through a megaphone

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now as a private business owner I have

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control of who or what I want to choose

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to present each night on the show

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someone cannot use freedom of speech as

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an argument to getting air time on fade

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to black it just doesn't work that way

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you not you are not entitled to being a

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guest on our show because you just want

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to be right or that do you have rights

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under the Constitution because you don't

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although that seems logical to most and

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we understand that the same thing

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applies to any private media

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organization like newspapers network

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television radio and today social media

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platforms like Facebook YouTube and

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Twitter the New York Times does not have

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to print your article CNN or Fox does

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not have to have you on the air Facebook

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Twitter and YouTube do not have to let

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you say or do anything you like these

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are all private companies and they can

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do whatever they wish just like fade to

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black

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if the answer is no then well that's the

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end of it you have no legal action that

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you can take can't take me to court

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because I won't let you on the air can't

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take me to court because I hang up on

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you on fader and I can't take me to

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court cuz I say no now just imagine if

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the opposite were true you would have

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the craziest of the crazy appearing on

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the front page of The Times any of them

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write all over the news programming

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think about that anybody who wants

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airtime Oh freedom of speech you have to

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let me on your network taking over the

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airwaves of radio and flooding social

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media within

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you see social media is a privilege it's

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not a right there is a difference sure

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there are great freedoms tied to it and

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we are getting used to them we all know

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that there are certain boundaries that

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we have to stay inside of we know this

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cross the line and your account can be

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suspended or terminated outright

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remember in most cases these social

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media platforms are free it's a

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privilege and you using it is not in

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your control you don't have rights you

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do not own it you have to play by the

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rules you got to stay inside the lines

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and the platforms can be great for

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entertainment

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they can be great for sharing and

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gathering of info they can be great for

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keeping in touch with friends and family

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right we know this now even with the

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broadest interpretation of the rules

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that surround social media and its

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restrictions that are in place right for

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freedom of speech by the way you have to

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ask yourself what did David IgE do that

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would require him from being erased from

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the internet most of the motivation

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behind this type of censorship well has

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been because different corporations have

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caved in to certain groups who don't

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like an individual and complain about

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them we are entering a new phase of

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censorship one that is based on personal

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attacks because someone has an idea that

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is different from their own

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do I have to agree with everyone's point

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of view no do I have to listen to them

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know do they have the right to express

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those opinions yes and I have the

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freedom to listen or not it's really

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that simple just because someone has a

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theory on the color blue and I like the

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color green doesn't mean that I should

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contact a company and demand that their

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opinions on the color blue should be

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removed from their platform now if you

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have been censored by

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Facebook you still have the right to

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stand in front of your local government

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center make a sign or two and yell about

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it to your heart's consent if that's

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what is important to you you're not

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gonna be arrested usually now the group

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getting behind mr. hike getting him

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banned also included me Jimmy Church in

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their short list of his network of

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spreading disinformation now to be clear

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Ike has always invited was always

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invited to be a guest on this show we

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are not part of any network to promote

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his ideas my name was published in their

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letter to various social media platforms

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and so far as of me speaking to you now

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we have not been contacted by Facebook

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Twitter or YouTube now this week on fade

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to black we have Nick Pope we have Greg

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house we have Robert Schoch and we have

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Linda Moulton Howe a great week for sure

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but Thursday night with Linda will we

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will be presenting her research into the

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corona virus and kovat 19 this will be a

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your host Jimmy Church what an amazing

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week we've got coming up on fade to

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black tonight Nick Pope the tomorrow

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night Linda Moulton Howe you guys are

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spoiled you guys are spoiled tonight

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Nick Pope he's here to talk about all of

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the recent Rendlesham forest news a ton

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of things have gone down especially on

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this show over the last two weeks and

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we're gonna also go back in and revisit

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the Navy and the Pentagon officially I'm

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using air quotes for that officially

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releasing more air quotes UFO videos

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we're gonna talk about that too as well

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nick is an author he's a journalist TV

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personality he ran the British

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government's UFO program leading the

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media to call him the real Fox Mulder

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he's recognized as one of the world's

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leading experts on UFOs the unexplained

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and conspiracy theories nick is the

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media's go-to person for UFOs he's

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everywhere these days he's made

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appearances on numerous TV shows and

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documentaries over the last two years

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including Good Morning America Nightline

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Tucker Carlson tonight and ancient

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aliens he's also written for the New

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York Times for the BBC News website and

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for NBC's technology and science site

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and has acted as a consultant

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spokesperson on numerous alien themed

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movies TV shows and video games Nick

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Pope gives talks and takes part in

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academic conferences fan conventions and

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debates all around the world he's spoken

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at the National Press Club the Royal

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Albert Hall the Science Museum and the

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global competitiveness forum

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he has also debated at the Oxford Union

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and Cambridge Union Society his website

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is right there to me Church radio calm

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Nick Pope dotnet I would like to welcome

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back man that was I'm out of air Nick

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I'm just out of there I can't I can't I

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can't

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where are you doing bad thing yeah I'm

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doing great I should do a shorter pyre

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yeah you know what that that was edited

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for content too

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yeah I really should do a sort of

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less-is-more one I enjoy though I enjoy

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but it says a lot Nick you've been out

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there for so many years representing the

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UFO community and this last couple of

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years has been pretty amazing not only

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for the community but for somebody like

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me that is turning on the news to get

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caught up on things and there you are

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right you are speaking on and called

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upon to comment just about anything that

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is breaking news in the UFO world which

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these days seems like it's a daily thing

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isn't it it is it's absolutely and I

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knew this is a little bit of a cliche

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god I'm gonna say it anyway it has gone

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from fringe to mainstream in a couple of

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years year in two years and a half maybe

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did you ever that's it that's a great

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way to put it did you ever consider

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yourself fringe no not really I was

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always just the ex-government guy who I

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guess some people in the UFO community

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were suspicious of and others thought

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well hopefully he'll tell us something

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and yeah that's essentially my

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possession is it is it fun to be accused

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of still working for the mo D right

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that's got to be you know it has to have

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some entertainment value for you

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personally well I suppose so I mean it

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people never tire of it it's the he's a

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shill he's part of an acclimatization

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program he's part of this sort of drip

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drip disclosure still secretly working

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for the government

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etc etc look if I if I say no I'm not I

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mean what are those people going to do

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sort of turn around and say oh okay

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that's fine I'll move on no they're

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gonna say well he would say that

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wouldn't he and not believe a word I say

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so nothing I can say or do is going to

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affect those people either way so it's

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it's not worth my time well you can

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understand why they say that

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you're like the perfect guy right and

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look if I was sitting around if I was

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running some secret government program

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whether it's in Great Britain to the

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United States I'm coming out okay we

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need we need we need a guy how about

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Nick Pope he's perfect he's perfect he's

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nice he's intelligent he speaks well and

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Wow we can crank this stuff through him

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you're the perfect guy for it so you

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know for those out there that want to be

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conspiratorial about things I can

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understand their feelings for it and I'm

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sure you can respect that to some degree

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right sure yes I think particularly now

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I've lived in the US for some years I

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think people say well you know that BBC

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English accent that he has is is you

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know part of part of the program maybe I

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don't know you know that's what people

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say all I can say is look I'm I'm an

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ex-government guy I'm not a

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whistleblower and someone who you know

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through through just a combination of

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luck and circumstance happened to find

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myself lying the British government's

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UFO program and I was lucky enough that

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the British government themselves

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decided to declassify and release a lot

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of those files that I worked on and many

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of them of course once that I wrote so I

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was able to talk about it and yeah I'm

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now I see my role as doing what I can to

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keep this subject in the public eye and

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hopefully to give it some sort of

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respectable face where I can I mean

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there are many others doing that of

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course but but obviously with Mayank

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government background hopefully that

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counts for something

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00:40:25,470 --> 00:40:18,330
well let's talk about that recent

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British UK release I look at that maybe

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00:40:30,690 --> 00:40:27,400
a little bit differently than others I

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need your opinion what I read what from

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what I understand is they released all

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of the public reports and kahlan's about

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00:40:44,730 --> 00:40:44,110
UFO sightings that's what was released

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00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:44,740
there

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00:40:52,590 --> 00:40:47,440
wasn't anything released in the deep

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dark you know bowels of the mo D and the

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British Defense Department and their

785
00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:57,070
knowledge of UFOs it's two different

786
00:41:01,290 --> 00:40:58,450
things that we're talking about here

787
00:41:04,770 --> 00:41:01,300
right yes

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00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:04,780
the British government actually starting

789
00:41:11,850 --> 00:41:08,890
in May 2008 began a program to

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declassify and release most of its UFO

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files and I actually came out of

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00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:16,660
retirement to help with that and be a

793
00:41:22,170 --> 00:41:19,570
spokesperson for it and did probably

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00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:22,180
gosh I don't know hundreds if not

795
00:41:25,890 --> 00:41:23,970
thousands of interviews on it and

796
00:41:28,740 --> 00:41:25,900
originally we thought it was going to

797
00:41:32,030 --> 00:41:28,750
take between two and three years and it

798
00:41:36,180 --> 00:41:32,040
ended up taking 11 and the the final

799
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:36,190
batch of files was released as recently

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as April of last year and we now have in

801
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the public domain 60,000 pages of

802
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:45,810
documents but what people saw recently

803
00:41:50,910 --> 00:41:48,730
was was something else and as you say

804
00:41:55,290 --> 00:41:50,920
this is slightly different what people

805
00:41:57,390 --> 00:41:55,300
saw recently was an admission that there

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00:41:59,880 --> 00:41:57,400
were some files and documents that

807
00:42:02,790 --> 00:41:59,890
didn't get swept up in that previous

808
00:42:05,220 --> 00:42:02,800
release yes we have some more we always

809
00:42:09,150 --> 00:42:05,230
keep finding hee-ho just one more as

810
00:42:12,020 --> 00:42:09,160
Columbo would say and it's largely

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00:42:14,849 --> 00:42:12,030
public correspondence it's largely

812
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:14,859
Freedom of Information Act requests but

813
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:17,200
some of its interesting nonetheless it

814
00:42:25,170 --> 00:42:22,930
was due to have gone on to the garv UK

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website by the end of March

816
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:27,580
obviously coronavirus delayed that

817
00:42:35,849 --> 00:42:30,480
somewhat but it should be out shortly

818
00:42:38,220 --> 00:42:35,859
do you ever see a time when the British

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government or any government for that

820
00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:41,640
matter Nick would release their own

821
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:45,730
documents about the UFO question and and

822
00:42:52,109 --> 00:42:49,570
possible contact the real files that are

823
00:42:53,660 --> 00:42:52,119
part of their research and not Freedom

824
00:42:58,940 --> 00:42:53,670
of Information Act

825
00:43:03,049 --> 00:42:58,950
are you know reports from civilians well

826
00:43:04,780 --> 00:43:03,059
we have had to be fair in the UK more

827
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:04,790
than just Freedom of Information

828
00:43:10,250 --> 00:43:07,440
requests and sighting reports we have

829
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:10,260
had in the UK some fairly highly

830
00:43:19,059 --> 00:43:13,650
classified document secret UK eyes only

831
00:43:21,530 --> 00:43:19,069
that's what level policy documents files

832
00:43:22,819 --> 00:43:21,540
explaining how those of us who were

833
00:43:24,829 --> 00:43:22,829
charged with looking at this the

834
00:43:28,039 --> 00:43:24,839
government grappled with this subject

835
00:43:31,789 --> 00:43:28,049
from inside the system and those have

836
00:43:34,730 --> 00:43:31,799
been Declassified most of them have been

837
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:34,740
released there are some redaction so you

838
00:43:38,660 --> 00:43:36,210
know you look at these documents and

839
00:43:41,930 --> 00:43:38,670
some of them yes will will be blanked

840
00:43:44,930 --> 00:43:41,940
out in part but you have heard already

841
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:44,940
some good stuff so I think it's the old

842
00:43:50,210 --> 00:43:47,520
saying the best place to hide a book is

843
00:43:52,819 --> 00:43:50,220
in a library some very interesting

844
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:52,829
documents have already been trying to

845
00:43:58,220 --> 00:43:55,770
suck out alongside mr. and mrs. Smith

846
00:44:00,650 --> 00:43:58,230
out walking their dog in 1974 and seeing

847
00:44:04,250 --> 00:44:00,660
a light in the sky so I guess what

848
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:04,260
you're saying is no you don't see it you

849
00:44:11,630 --> 00:44:06,690
don't see a time of everything being

850
00:44:14,690 --> 00:44:11,640
released not everything yeah not my call

851
00:44:16,579 --> 00:44:14,700
I I mean not I don't even know if it's

852
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:16,589
the British government's call I suspect

853
00:44:21,950 --> 00:44:19,530
that I don't like to talk about lead

854
00:44:23,780 --> 00:44:21,960
nations but if there is a lead nation

855
00:44:26,030 --> 00:44:23,790
they suspect the United States is here

856
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:26,040
and I suspect that it's the US

857
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:29,040
government's call as to what does and

858
00:44:32,990 --> 00:44:31,410
what doesn't get out there and I think

859
00:44:36,349 --> 00:44:33,000
we're we're seeing and I'm sure we'll

860
00:44:38,809 --> 00:44:36,359
get onto this later in the show we're

861
00:44:40,339 --> 00:44:38,819
seeing seeing certainly some moves in

862
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:40,349
the right direction but there's a long

863
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:42,960
long way to go yeah and how do you feel

864
00:44:48,829 --> 00:44:45,359
about that you know the last two years

865
00:44:52,460 --> 00:44:48,839
for all of us in the UFO community have

866
00:44:54,620 --> 00:44:52,470
been enjoying this ride right where this

867
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:54,630
subject is out in front and people are

868
00:44:59,690 --> 00:44:56,970
talking about it whether or not you

869
00:45:02,270 --> 00:44:59,700
agree or disagree that what has come

870
00:45:04,339 --> 00:45:02,280
forward is even et related that's

871
00:45:06,569 --> 00:45:04,349
another question all together but the

872
00:45:09,450 --> 00:45:06,579
fact remains

873
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:09,460
everything that estrin transpired has

874
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:11,920
allowed people to talk about this where

875
00:45:16,380 --> 00:45:14,170
it has never been discussed like this

876
00:45:21,329 --> 00:45:16,390
before right that's what we need to

877
00:45:23,519 --> 00:45:21,339
enjoy yes we do absolutely and you

878
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:23,529
you're right and it speaks to the

879
00:45:27,390 --> 00:45:25,450
soundbite I gave about out of the fringe

880
00:45:29,999 --> 00:45:27,400
and into the mainstream but look as you

881
00:45:33,660 --> 00:45:30,009
know two and a half years ago if you as

882
00:45:35,910 --> 00:45:33,670
a journalist and broadcaster had picked

883
00:45:38,849 --> 00:45:35,920
up the phone to a Public Affairs

884
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:38,859
spokesperson anywhere in government and

885
00:45:43,499 --> 00:45:41,440
and had said look you know my name is

886
00:45:47,069 --> 00:45:43,509
Jimmy Church I'm about to go and do a

887
00:45:50,609 --> 00:45:47,079
piece on this I need your line on UFOs

888
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:50,619
the response you would have gotten is we

889
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:52,450
haven't done this since Project Blue

890
00:45:58,499 --> 00:45:55,839
Book no one's interested there are no

891
00:46:01,680 --> 00:45:58,509
investigations and no research going on

892
00:46:03,900 --> 00:46:01,690
now of course we know the situation is

893
00:46:07,940 --> 00:46:03,910
very different and we've come a long

894
00:46:12,599 --> 00:46:07,950
long way in two and a half years and the

895
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:12,609
the pushes been and I know you must have

896
00:46:18,089 --> 00:46:16,000
had this feeling too but that two years

897
00:46:20,849 --> 00:46:18,099
ago we were we were on the verge of

898
00:46:23,730 --> 00:46:20,859
something really big right that this was

899
00:46:25,769 --> 00:46:23,740
about to go to places that we never

900
00:46:26,910 --> 00:46:25,779
thought we would go to and I'm

901
00:46:30,690 --> 00:46:26,920
referencing of course

902
00:46:33,299 --> 00:46:30,700
full disclosure full on everything it

903
00:46:37,499 --> 00:46:33,309
didn't quite happen that way why do you

904
00:46:41,370 --> 00:46:37,509
think it's slowed down well I don't know

905
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:41,380
if slowed down this is really the right

906
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:43,890
way to characterize it but certainly

907
00:46:54,299 --> 00:46:47,680
when the New York Times published that

908
00:46:57,210 --> 00:46:54,309
that landmark article and and when the

909
00:47:00,720 --> 00:46:57,220
existence of a tip was revealed the US

910
00:47:03,089 --> 00:47:00,730
Navy encounters came people like David

911
00:47:06,029 --> 00:47:03,099
flavor went on the line with this people

912
00:47:08,279 --> 00:47:06,039
thought right this is it and then yes to

913
00:47:11,940 --> 00:47:08,289
be fair as you say there was a sort of

914
00:47:15,450 --> 00:47:11,950
well now what moment and and maybe we're

915
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:15,460
still in that but maybe we are still

916
00:47:21,610 --> 00:47:19,520
seeing a sort of slow creeping move

917
00:47:24,850 --> 00:47:21,620
forward on this and of course just just

918
00:47:27,730 --> 00:47:24,860
literally a few days ago April 27th we

919
00:47:30,910 --> 00:47:27,740
saw the Department of Defense itself put

920
00:47:34,540 --> 00:47:30,920
those three infamous US Navy videos

921
00:47:35,980 --> 00:47:34,550
online themselves and and again I'm sure

922
00:47:38,890 --> 00:47:35,990
we had to get into the house and wives

923
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:38,900
of of that and and absolutely there's

924
00:47:44,260 --> 00:47:40,730
more to come there is more to come

925
00:47:45,970 --> 00:47:44,270
you know this is disclosure to go to go

926
00:47:49,210 --> 00:47:45,980
back to your original point disclosure

927
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:49,220
is not a single event it's not binary

928
00:47:56,530 --> 00:47:52,850
it's a process and I'm not even sure

929
00:47:58,540 --> 00:47:56,540
it's it's an event or even a process in

930
00:48:01,420 --> 00:47:58,550
the sense that the UFO community like to

931
00:48:03,220 --> 00:48:01,430
imagine it with this sort of cliche my

932
00:48:05,650 --> 00:48:03,230
fellow Americans people the world we're

933
00:48:08,290 --> 00:48:05,660
not alone I don't think it's ever been

934
00:48:11,770 --> 00:48:08,300
about that I think it's been more subtle

935
00:48:15,420 --> 00:48:11,780
more nuanced yeah and and and I agree

936
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:15,430
with you I agree with you 100%

937
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:18,290
unfortunately the rest of the community

938
00:48:24,940 --> 00:48:20,930
maybe the world doesn't agree with us

939
00:48:26,950 --> 00:48:24,950
Nick nothing short of like you said you

940
00:48:28,690 --> 00:48:26,960
know a head of state or the president of

941
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:28,700
the United States stepping up to the mic

942
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:29,810
on live television

943
00:48:34,900 --> 00:48:32,810
you know uttering those words anything

944
00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:34,910
short of that is not disclosure and

945
00:48:39,940 --> 00:48:37,280
that's that's what we're fighting here

946
00:48:41,740 --> 00:48:39,950
for me to say I had disclosures drip

947
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:41,750
drip drip we're getting there I don't

948
00:48:45,010 --> 00:48:43,610
need it I've seen things we're in the

949
00:48:48,460 --> 00:48:45,020
middle of this that's not what people

950
00:48:51,850 --> 00:48:48,470
want to hear is it no it's not hey look

951
00:48:54,910 --> 00:48:51,860
there's three scenarios and two of them

952
00:48:57,700 --> 00:48:54,920
are easy and one is very difficult first

953
00:48:59,290 --> 00:48:57,710
scenario is easy you find alien life and

954
00:49:01,990 --> 00:48:59,300
you say my fellow Americans people of

955
00:49:05,230 --> 00:49:02,000
the world we found aliens easy it's not

956
00:49:07,660 --> 00:49:05,240
great second scenario is my fellow

957
00:49:09,970 --> 00:49:07,670
Americans people the world we found

958
00:49:12,310 --> 00:49:09,980
alien life actually we found it seventy

959
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:12,320
years ago well yeah that's a little bit

960
00:49:17,170 --> 00:49:14,210
difficult but hey you can always spin it

961
00:49:20,020 --> 00:49:17,180
look my predecessors kind of decided for

962
00:49:22,210 --> 00:49:20,030
good reasons so they thought but now I'm

963
00:49:24,970 --> 00:49:22,220
telling you it's real great you know

964
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:24,980
that's kind of easy too but the third

965
00:49:28,510 --> 00:49:26,960
scenario which is where I think we are

966
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:28,520
is the difficult one

967
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:30,410
it's my fellow Americans people the

968
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:31,440
world

969
00:49:35,809 --> 00:49:34,319
our pilots chase these things our radar

970
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:35,819
operators tracked them

971
00:49:40,819 --> 00:49:38,400
now our forward-looking infrared cameras

972
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:40,829
record them their speeds and maneuvers

973
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:44,160
ahead of everything anything we have but

974
00:49:50,529 --> 00:49:46,890
we're not really quite sure what this is

975
00:49:54,579 --> 00:49:50,539
and that's difficult because there's

976
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:54,589
governments exist on and thrive on

977
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:57,599
projecting power and authority you don't

978
00:50:02,059 --> 00:49:59,760
project power and authority by saying

979
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:02,069
you know we don't know there's something

980
00:50:07,609 --> 00:50:04,410
but we can't figure it out no one wants

981
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:07,619
to go there and I get that and this is

982
00:50:14,510 --> 00:50:09,119
that this is the problem with that

983
00:50:17,839 --> 00:50:14,520
statement either either were alone or we

984
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:17,849
are not right to imply that you don't

985
00:50:23,089 --> 00:50:20,970
know then you're not in control I think

986
00:50:25,460 --> 00:50:23,099
that's completely the wrong approach

987
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:25,470
right shouldn't sudden you know come

988
00:50:29,359 --> 00:50:27,690
clean on one side of it or the other so

989
00:50:31,130 --> 00:50:29,369
we know how to move forward I would

990
00:50:35,299 --> 00:50:31,140
think that's that's a better plan of

991
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:35,309
action don't you yes but it is difficult

992
00:50:42,859 --> 00:50:37,890
because as I say that the situation is

993
00:50:45,019 --> 00:50:42,869
is literally that if you take it at face

994
00:50:48,170 --> 00:50:45,029
value we've lost control of our own

995
00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:48,180
airspace mm-hmm and nobody's going to

996
00:50:54,049 --> 00:50:51,119
put it like that and everyone's going to

997
00:50:56,359 --> 00:50:54,059
kind of try and find a way to spin that

998
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:56,369
but there are only so many ways you can

999
00:51:04,220 --> 00:51:00,000
you can talk that out and it's none of

1000
00:51:06,529 --> 00:51:04,230
those ways make government look good and

1001
00:51:09,799 --> 00:51:06,539
and therefore none of those ways are

1002
00:51:12,380 --> 00:51:09,809
ways they want to go now we're gonna get

1003
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:12,390
to the videos after the break and we I

1004
00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:14,640
do want to discuss the the how and the

1005
00:51:19,849 --> 00:51:17,250
why and certainly the who but what do

1006
00:51:22,609 --> 00:51:19,859
you see Nick personally when you look at

1007
00:51:25,700 --> 00:51:22,619
these videos are you seeing something

1008
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:25,710
that is off planet do you think

1009
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:29,130
something is et ish these see anything

1010
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:31,410
like that that is not of this earth or

1011
00:51:37,789 --> 00:51:34,559
is there some other explanation what do

1012
00:51:40,039 --> 00:51:37,799
you see personally I see a situation

1013
00:51:41,309 --> 00:51:40,049
where I don't have enough data to make

1014
00:51:45,299 --> 00:51:41,319
the call

1015
00:51:47,609 --> 00:51:45,309
I can say there are probably about six

1016
00:51:51,209 --> 00:51:47,619
or seven different theories and we can

1017
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:51,219
get into them if you'd like and they'll

1018
00:51:56,549 --> 00:51:53,680
be a best current assessment and again

1019
00:51:58,920 --> 00:51:56,559
we can get into that but but I don't

1020
00:52:02,729 --> 00:51:58,930
have because I'm no longer in the system

1021
00:52:05,759 --> 00:52:02,739
I don't have enough data to make that

1022
00:52:08,609 --> 00:52:05,769
call someone probably does if not

1023
00:52:13,199 --> 00:52:08,619
definitively at least as I say in terms

1024
00:52:16,859 --> 00:52:13,209
of making it a best assessment well I

1025
00:52:19,650 --> 00:52:16,869
guess I'm asking about your eyeballs you

1026
00:52:22,109 --> 00:52:19,660
know and when I'm saying if I approached

1027
00:52:24,420 --> 00:52:22,119
you at a conference and I whipped out my

1028
00:52:28,170 --> 00:52:24,430
cell phone and I showed you one of those

1029
00:52:32,130 --> 00:52:28,180
videos well you don't need data or

1030
00:52:34,979 --> 00:52:32,140
anything to to understand what you are

1031
00:52:38,249 --> 00:52:34,989
seeing you're gonna make some kind of

1032
00:52:40,469 --> 00:52:38,259
call right there you know your emotions

1033
00:52:42,299 --> 00:52:40,479
so that's what I'm asking about not the

1034
00:52:45,180 --> 00:52:42,309
data or anybody else's at collective

1035
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:45,190
opinions what do you see when you see

1036
00:52:50,430 --> 00:52:48,130
those videos well and get a half

1037
00:52:53,189 --> 00:52:50,440
disagree with you there I think we do

1038
00:52:55,259 --> 00:52:53,199
need data I taking your point about the

1039
00:52:56,849 --> 00:52:55,269
eyeball though yeah I look at you whip

1040
00:52:59,009 --> 00:52:56,859
out the cell phone and show me that and

1041
00:53:01,650 --> 00:52:59,019
I say Wow great thanks that's

1042
00:53:04,410 --> 00:53:01,660
interesting that really doesn't look

1043
00:53:09,539 --> 00:53:04,420
like aircraft lights or a weather

1044
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:09,549
balloon but I know because I can see

1045
00:53:15,289 --> 00:53:10,930
that it's filmed on forward-looking

1046
00:53:18,059 --> 00:53:15,299
infrared camera I know that somewhere in

1047
00:53:20,910 --> 00:53:18,069
the US government the military the

1048
00:53:24,509 --> 00:53:20,920
intelligence community there will be

1049
00:53:27,229 --> 00:53:24,519
what we call Maz int data on that

1050
00:53:30,749 --> 00:53:27,239
measurement and signature intelligence

1051
00:53:33,660 --> 00:53:30,759
which will tell me those items of data

1052
00:53:36,479 --> 00:53:33,670
that I do need to know to make a more

1053
00:53:39,269 --> 00:53:36,489
informed call on that what's the

1054
00:53:41,969 --> 00:53:39,279
distance of this object from the lens

1055
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:41,979
what's its speed what's it its its

1056
00:53:46,469 --> 00:53:43,690
acceleration

1057
00:53:48,900 --> 00:53:46,479
what's its size and only with those

1058
00:53:51,420 --> 00:53:48,910
pieces of data can i really make a

1059
00:53:53,780 --> 00:53:51,430
definitive assessment and say look is

1060
00:53:57,140 --> 00:53:53,790
this just some

1061
00:53:59,600 --> 00:53:57,150
combination of of radar glitch and Ford

1062
00:54:03,500 --> 00:53:59,610
looking infrared camera normally is it

1063
00:54:06,500 --> 00:54:03,510
our own tech being blind tested against

1064
00:54:09,260 --> 00:54:06,510
the fleet is it Russia is it China or is

1065
00:54:10,900 --> 00:54:09,270
it something else and that's that's

1066
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:10,910
where we are left with this

1067
00:54:16,970 --> 00:54:14,370
unfortunately and there's another point

1068
00:54:20,570 --> 00:54:16,980
to this and again we're gonna go much

1069
00:54:23,720 --> 00:54:20,580
deeper after the break do you think in

1070
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:23,730
your in your best opinion because you've

1071
00:54:28,250 --> 00:54:25,680
been at this for so long at a government

1072
00:54:32,060 --> 00:54:28,260
level you think that the United States

1073
00:54:37,310 --> 00:54:32,070
or any government would release a video

1074
00:54:39,350 --> 00:54:37,320
of a flying saucer well that's the

1075
00:54:41,330 --> 00:54:39,360
really interesting question

1076
00:54:43,700 --> 00:54:41,340
it's you know there are two interesting

1077
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:43,710
questions here one interesting question

1078
00:54:48,290 --> 00:54:46,770
is what the heck is it on these videos

1079
00:54:49,970 --> 00:54:48,300
what are we looking at here well it's

1080
00:54:52,340 --> 00:54:49,980
that's an interesting question but

1081
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:52,350
another really interesting question is

1082
00:54:59,090 --> 00:54:56,130
if the US Navy and the US government in

1083
00:55:01,510 --> 00:54:59,100
the wider sense doesn't genuinely

1084
00:55:05,090 --> 00:55:01,520
doesn't know what these things are why

1085
00:55:07,820 --> 00:55:05,100
why are they putting it out there

1086
00:55:09,980 --> 00:55:07,830
when arguably this might be something

1087
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:09,990
highly classified right maybe our own

1088
00:55:15,170 --> 00:55:12,570
maybe Russia maybe China maybe even

1089
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:15,180
extraterrestrial what and you've got to

1090
00:55:21,410 --> 00:55:17,570
ask and this is the way that government

1091
00:55:23,810 --> 00:55:21,420
always asks these questions what are the

1092
00:55:27,140 --> 00:55:23,820
threats and what are the opportunities

1093
00:55:28,820 --> 00:55:27,150
and the opportunity question is

1094
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:28,830
interesting what does the US government

1095
00:55:35,090 --> 00:55:31,920
have to gain by putting this out there

1096
00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:35,100
and the on the face of it the answer is

1097
00:55:40,430 --> 00:55:38,250
not much like I said it you know doesn't

1098
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:40,440
make them look that clever because on

1099
00:55:44,690 --> 00:55:41,610
the face of it they're saying we don't

1100
00:55:48,290 --> 00:55:44,700
know and there's something better faster

1101
00:55:51,290 --> 00:55:48,300
more maneuverable in our skies and our

1102
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:51,300
best technology can't catch them but the

1103
00:55:56,450 --> 00:55:54,090
follow-up question is how is that being

1104
00:55:59,360 --> 00:55:56,460
perceived in Russia and China or

1105
00:56:02,120 --> 00:55:59,370
questions are the leadership asking

1106
00:56:04,670 --> 00:56:02,130
there and and believe you me they are

1107
00:56:07,010 --> 00:56:04,680
asking questions they must be and and

1108
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:07,020
the basic question is what the heck

1109
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:09,210
in the United States with these UFOs

1110
00:56:15,290 --> 00:56:12,210
could there be a flip side to this too

1111
00:56:17,210 --> 00:56:15,300
as well which is that the Navy and the

1112
00:56:20,510 --> 00:56:17,220
Pentagon just don't care about these

1113
00:56:23,150 --> 00:56:20,520
videos I'm not sure no I don't agree

1114
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:23,160
with I don't agree that they don't care

1115
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:27,330
but what I do think is that it's worth

1116
00:56:35,240 --> 00:56:30,480
looking at all this from through the

1117
00:56:38,990 --> 00:56:35,250
lens of an intelligence operation mm-hmm

1118
00:56:42,890 --> 00:56:39,000
a psychological operation of some sort

1119
00:56:46,700 --> 00:56:42,900
sure and if so the question is what do

1120
00:56:49,820 --> 00:56:46,710
we want Russia or China to come away

1121
00:56:52,130 --> 00:56:49,830
with out of this and does that does the

1122
00:56:54,890 --> 00:56:52,140
answer to that question tell us anything

1123
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:54,900
about what we're dealing with and why

1124
00:56:58,970 --> 00:56:56,850
the US government would be putting it

1125
00:57:01,520 --> 00:56:58,980
out because look here's one other really

1126
00:57:04,940 --> 00:57:01,530
interesting point about this every time

1127
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:04,950
this story whether it's a tip or the US

1128
00:57:11,150 --> 00:57:07,680
Navy encounters every time this story

1129
00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:11,160
looks as if it's dying down it flares up

1130
00:57:16,070 --> 00:57:13,680
again but if you look at how and why it

1131
00:57:17,900 --> 00:57:16,080
flares up again it flares up again

1132
00:57:21,140 --> 00:57:17,910
because somebody in the US government

1133
00:57:23,660 --> 00:57:21,150
does something it's like for the first

1134
00:57:26,510 --> 00:57:23,670
time instead of downplaying and

1135
00:57:31,540 --> 00:57:26,520
debunking the US government they're the

1136
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:31,550
ones keeping this story going why that

1137
00:57:38,660 --> 00:57:34,650
brilliant point Nick that is absolutely

1138
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:38,670
brilliant and there is another concern

1139
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:41,010
of mine I've only got 45 seconds of them

1140
00:57:47,390 --> 00:57:43,890
then we go to the break that there there

1141
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:47,400
is technology and the ability to pull

1142
00:57:51,980 --> 00:57:50,010
down any video or anything on the net

1143
00:57:53,810 --> 00:57:51,990
right we've seen a lot of censorship

1144
00:57:57,770 --> 00:57:53,820
over the last couple of weeks just over

1145
00:58:00,170 --> 00:57:57,780
coronavirus and if the Navy was

1146
00:58:03,050 --> 00:58:00,180
concerned about these videos why didn't

1147
00:58:04,310 --> 00:58:03,060
they have them pulled down in 2007 you

1148
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:04,320
know why didn't they have them pulled

1149
00:58:08,150 --> 00:58:06,720
down way before they officially release

1150
00:58:10,700 --> 00:58:08,160
them when they were already out in the

1151
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:10,710
public domain why not stop it then if

1152
00:58:16,170 --> 00:58:12,690
they were concerned about some type of

1153
00:58:19,530 --> 00:58:16,180
secret information or technology or

1154
00:58:22,349 --> 00:58:19,540
UFOs invading our airspace you know why

1155
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:22,359
not just pull it down then yeah and and

1156
00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:23,290
why now

1157
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:27,040
throw fire back on on you know through

1158
00:58:32,190 --> 00:58:29,410
kerosene bank on the fire and and

1159
00:58:34,170 --> 00:58:32,200
reignite this whole story just when it

1160
00:58:36,030 --> 00:58:34,180
was fading away yeah I agree with you

1161
00:58:39,180 --> 00:58:36,040
let's take our break right here Nick

1162
00:58:41,250 --> 00:58:39,190
Pope is our guest and now we've got a

1163
00:58:43,799 --> 00:58:41,260
lot to discuss tonight on Rendlesham we

1164
00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:43,809
will get to all of that right now we're

1165
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:46,720
discussing the official release of three

1166
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:50,650
UFO / UAP videos by the Navy and the

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00:58:55,230 --> 00:58:53,770
Pentagon back on April 27th this is fade

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to black I'm Niels to be Church more of

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Nick after this short break stay with us

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all right welcome back fade to black I

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01:04:18,910 --> 01:04:14,930
am hosting mature tonight Nick Pope is

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here tomorrow night Greg house Wednesday

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night dr. Robert Schoch and a Thursday

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night Linda Moulton Howe great week

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ahead of us tonight it is Nick Pope and

1276
01:04:32,290 --> 01:04:29,300
Nick I want to I want to go back and

1277
01:04:36,190 --> 01:04:32,300
finish our thoughts that we were moving

1278
01:04:38,079 --> 01:04:36,200
into right before the break and one

1279
01:04:41,859 --> 01:04:38,089
concern when he bringing up you know why

1280
01:04:44,670 --> 01:04:41,869
now why bring it up again by my count we

1281
01:04:49,270 --> 01:04:44,680
now have three official releases of

1282
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:49,280
these videos right there was the release

1283
01:04:55,390 --> 01:04:52,250
back in December of 2017 and the

1284
01:04:57,760 --> 01:04:55,400
arguments presented by to the Stars

1285
01:05:00,010 --> 01:04:57,770
Academy and everybody there they

1286
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:00,020
produced a document and a release form

1287
01:05:05,140 --> 01:05:03,170
and you know for public you know and all

1288
01:05:07,030 --> 01:05:05,150
of that was released and you know

1289
01:05:13,299 --> 01:05:07,040
stating that we've got these officially

1290
01:05:17,260 --> 01:05:13,309
released last year the Navy through John

1291
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:17,270
Greenwald said that these videos that

1292
01:05:23,950 --> 01:05:21,410
have been released have you AP's tied to

1293
01:05:25,930 --> 01:05:23,960
them and using that vernacular for the

1294
01:05:28,170 --> 01:05:25,940
first time from the Navy was a pretty

1295
01:05:32,319 --> 01:05:28,180
substantial moment and then here we are

1296
01:05:35,319 --> 01:05:32,329
in April moving into May of 2020 and

1297
01:05:38,020 --> 01:05:35,329
they have been officially released again

1298
01:05:41,289 --> 01:05:38,030
what's the thought process behind this

1299
01:05:43,750 --> 01:05:41,299
for the Navy and the Pentagon well as I

1300
01:05:47,470 --> 01:05:43,760
say it's really interesting I've done

1301
01:05:50,470 --> 01:05:47,480
mmm kind of news management media

1302
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:50,480
management quite what you like for the

1303
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:52,730
Ministry of Defence not just on UFOs but

1304
01:05:58,049 --> 01:05:55,730
other subjects too and it sounds like a

1305
01:06:01,630 --> 01:05:58,059
bit of a dark art and it is but

1306
01:06:05,170 --> 01:06:01,640
essentially it boils down to talk up

1307
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:05,180
good news and play down and try and kill

1308
01:06:10,539 --> 01:06:09,170
bad news so the question is it goes back

1309
01:06:13,630 --> 01:06:10,549
to what I was saying just before the

1310
01:06:15,789 --> 01:06:13,640
break why would it be that every time

1311
01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:15,799
this story looks like it's dying down

1312
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:20,089
the US government itself throws kerosene

1313
01:06:23,390 --> 01:06:22,130
on to the fire and and everything flares

1314
01:06:25,609 --> 01:06:23,400
up again

1315
01:06:28,339 --> 01:06:25,619
tells you something it tells you that

1316
01:06:31,789 --> 01:06:28,349
there's been a fundamental sea change

1317
01:06:34,250 --> 01:06:31,799
we've had 70 years of denial and

1318
01:06:37,700 --> 01:06:34,260
downplaying and debunking and now it's

1319
01:06:40,549 --> 01:06:37,710
it's as if we've had this 180 degree

1320
01:06:43,789 --> 01:06:40,559
flip where they're trying to put this

1321
01:06:47,450 --> 01:06:43,799
out front and center under the spotlight

1322
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:47,460
as I say why would they do that is it

1323
01:06:54,079 --> 01:06:50,690
because they know something's coming

1324
01:06:55,039 --> 01:06:54,089
they can't stop it and they just want to

1325
01:06:59,630 --> 01:06:55,049
get out ahead of it

1326
01:07:02,359 --> 01:06:59,640
mm-hmm is it because they this is some

1327
01:07:05,289 --> 01:07:02,369
sort of counterintelligence operation

1328
01:07:08,180 --> 01:07:05,299
they want to send some sort of message

1329
01:07:11,390 --> 01:07:08,190
you know disinformation whatever it is

1330
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:11,400
to Russia or China or whoever or is it

1331
01:07:15,410 --> 01:07:13,650
something else and I don't know I'm I

1332
01:07:18,859 --> 01:07:15,420
don't work in the system anymore I'm out

1333
01:07:31,700 --> 01:07:18,869
of the game most pretty much out of the

1334
01:07:34,490 --> 01:07:31,710
game i I don't know what's going on yeah

1335
01:07:36,829 --> 01:07:34,500
I mean of course they're I still talk to

1336
01:07:40,039 --> 01:07:36,839
a few people I mean obviously I you

1337
01:07:42,890 --> 01:07:40,049
don't do 21 years in government and not

1338
01:07:46,309 --> 01:07:42,900
not sort of still have some friends and

1339
01:07:48,650 --> 01:07:46,319
contacts but but I am you know I'm

1340
01:07:50,539 --> 01:07:48,660
genuinely scratching my head here and I

1341
01:07:52,940 --> 01:07:50,549
think a lot of people are even people in

1342
01:07:55,910 --> 01:07:52,950
the system and are saying what's going

1343
01:07:58,430 --> 01:07:55,920
on there's something even we don't don't

1344
01:08:00,769 --> 01:07:58,440
quite get about how all this is playing

1345
01:08:03,289 --> 01:08:00,779
out it's it's like it's like there's a

1346
01:08:06,950 --> 01:08:03,299
jigsaw but there are some missing pieces

1347
01:08:10,309 --> 01:08:06,960
and it's not even being played in the

1348
01:08:12,349 --> 01:08:10,319
usual way it's it's that weird now and

1349
01:08:14,569 --> 01:08:12,359
then we have something else interesting

1350
01:08:18,590 --> 01:08:14,579
when it comes to these three videos and

1351
01:08:20,809 --> 01:08:18,600
that is Dave flavour and the rest of the

1352
01:08:22,789 --> 01:08:20,819
pilots and the crew members and the and

1353
01:08:25,579 --> 01:08:22,799
the Princeton and the everybody that is

1354
01:08:28,849 --> 01:08:25,589
involved clearly have some of the most

1355
01:08:30,999 --> 01:08:28,859
compelling testimony that we have ever

1356
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:31,009
heard when it comes to the UFO subject

1357
01:08:35,190 --> 01:08:34,170
but when I look at the videos and I hear

1358
01:08:41,730 --> 01:08:35,200
what they

1359
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:41,740
witnessed is what is in these videos and

1360
01:08:46,500 --> 01:08:44,170
we're almost talking about two different

1361
01:08:50,820 --> 01:08:46,510
situations what do you think about that

1362
01:08:54,500 --> 01:08:50,830
how compelling is their testimony well I

1363
01:08:59,280 --> 01:08:54,510
think you've made an interesting point

1364
01:09:02,510 --> 01:08:59,290
none of this spans or falls on a single

1365
01:09:06,450 --> 01:09:02,520
part of the story we have this this

1366
01:09:10,620 --> 01:09:06,460
convergence of eyewitness testimony from

1367
01:09:13,110 --> 01:09:10,630
pilots from radar operators then we have

1368
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:13,120
the radar data themselves then we have

1369
01:09:19,170 --> 01:09:17,170
the FLIR images and and not just the

1370
01:09:20,970 --> 01:09:19,180
three videos of course I mean anything

1371
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:20,980
pretty much everyone involved with this

1372
01:09:25,500 --> 01:09:23,290
has said this is just the tip of the

1373
01:09:28,740 --> 01:09:25,510
iceberg I mean no one's no one's

1374
01:09:30,930 --> 01:09:28,750
pretending there are three incidents

1375
01:09:34,050 --> 01:09:30,940
where the military have encountered UFOs

1376
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:34,060
I mean there are hundreds if not

1377
01:09:40,950 --> 01:09:38,290
thousands over over decades and indeed

1378
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:40,960
last year when the US Navy updated their

1379
01:09:45,660 --> 01:09:43,570
guidance to their own people saying what

1380
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:45,670
to do if you encounter one of these

1381
01:09:51,330 --> 01:09:48,730
things their rationale for doing that

1382
01:09:53,420 --> 01:09:51,340
was not we've had three incidents of

1383
01:09:57,510 --> 01:09:53,430
course not it was there's an ongoing

1384
01:09:59,490 --> 01:09:57,520
series of incursions into restricted

1385
01:10:00,750 --> 01:09:59,500
military airspace by these things and we

1386
01:10:03,030 --> 01:10:00,760
need to get to the bottom of it and we

1387
01:10:07,430 --> 01:10:03,040
need to try and stop it now we have a

1388
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:07,440
couple of phases of this that you have

1389
01:10:14,730 --> 01:10:11,170
been right there in the center of this

1390
01:10:17,250 --> 01:10:14,740
madness going back to December of 2012

1391
01:10:20,340 --> 01:10:17,260
who often running with the media right

1392
01:10:22,970 --> 01:10:20,350
every single night it was an incredible

1393
01:10:27,060 --> 01:10:22,980
incredible time it was so exciting and

1394
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:27,070
and last year with the UAP designation

1395
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:29,170
from the Navy that caught a lot of

1396
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:31,570
traction with the media and the world

1397
01:10:37,830 --> 01:10:33,210
and the UFO community

1398
01:10:40,590 --> 01:10:37,840
two weeks ago April 27th this revelation

1399
01:10:43,380 --> 01:10:40,600
of the Navy officially releasing these

1400
01:10:45,780 --> 01:10:43,390
videos certainly was out there in the

1401
01:10:47,609 --> 01:10:45,790
media but the reaction from the world

1402
01:10:50,609 --> 01:10:47,619
and the UFO community

1403
01:10:53,250 --> 01:10:50,619
was barely there there was barely a

1404
01:10:58,169 --> 01:10:53,260
ripple in the water why do you think

1405
01:11:01,260 --> 01:10:58,179
it's died down well firstly I'm not

1406
01:11:05,100 --> 01:11:01,270
entirely sure it was barely a ripple ie

1407
01:11:08,580 --> 01:11:05,110
I saw a lot and and I did a lot I mean I

1408
01:11:10,919 --> 01:11:08,590
you know I my emails were were almost

1409
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:10,929
constant and I was getting maybe with

1410
01:11:17,010 --> 01:11:13,290
some of this you know maybe it's not

1411
01:11:20,700 --> 01:11:17,020
quantitative but it's qualitative so for

1412
01:11:24,060 --> 01:11:20,710
example I was getting requests from the

1413
01:11:26,970 --> 01:11:24,070
BBC I was getting requests from British

1414
01:11:30,410 --> 01:11:26,980
forces Broadcasting Service so so

1415
01:11:32,910 --> 01:11:30,420
basically forces dotnet you know the the

1416
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:32,920
British governments the British military

1417
01:11:42,209 --> 01:11:38,170
zone own TV network and radio station

1418
01:11:44,399 --> 01:11:42,219
on this so I was getting a lot about

1419
01:11:46,229 --> 01:11:44,409
this so I think it did make a splash but

1420
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:46,239
look the other the elephant in the room

1421
01:11:55,669 --> 01:11:50,050
of course is coronavirus and I don't

1422
01:11:59,760 --> 01:11:55,679
know after 9/11 there was an infamous

1423
01:12:01,979 --> 01:11:59,770
saying by a policy adviser in the

1424
01:12:04,709 --> 01:12:01,989
British government and and she said

1425
01:12:07,830 --> 01:12:04,719
today would be a good day to bury bad

1426
01:12:10,530 --> 01:12:07,840
news meaning obviously 911th just

1427
01:12:13,050 --> 01:12:10,540
happened and we can sneak anything now

1428
01:12:15,270 --> 01:12:13,060
we like because you know nobody else is

1429
01:12:19,050 --> 01:12:15,280
gonna be covering anything except 9/11

1430
01:12:23,010 --> 01:12:19,060
and the towers coming down so we we have

1431
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:23,020
to factor coronavirus into this and say

1432
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:28,050
is some of this at some level the US

1433
01:12:33,180 --> 01:12:30,250
military feeling and the government

1434
01:12:36,359 --> 01:12:33,190
feeling we can if we've got things that

1435
01:12:38,550 --> 01:12:36,369
we need to get out getting them out now

1436
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:38,560
while the world is looking the other way

1437
01:12:46,470 --> 01:12:41,770
might be worth thinking about the timing

1438
01:12:48,899 --> 01:12:46,480
is suspect isn't it yes it is although I

1439
01:12:52,410 --> 01:12:48,909
think it blew up in their faces as I say

1440
01:12:55,010 --> 01:12:52,420
I got these requests and maybe not as

1441
01:12:56,850 --> 01:12:55,020
many as I would have gotten before

1442
01:12:59,770 --> 01:12:56,860
coronavirus but as I say it's not

1443
01:13:02,020 --> 01:12:59,780
necessarily the number it's who's

1444
01:13:06,490 --> 01:13:02,030
calling and when the answer to whose

1445
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:06,500
calling is well it's the BBC or its NPR

1446
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:10,130
or or it's it's some British forces

1447
01:13:17,970 --> 01:13:14,210
radio then it's not necessarily how many

1448
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:17,980
people you reach it's who you reach and

1449
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:20,930
one thing that I notice in the barometer

1450
01:13:26,590 --> 01:13:23,810
that I'd like to use like everybody uses

1451
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:26,600
today is how many comments are out there

1452
01:13:32,220 --> 01:13:28,730
in social media what's the response

1453
01:13:35,700 --> 01:13:32,230
there how many shares of the story and

1454
01:13:39,340 --> 01:13:35,710
you can kind of tell the things are a

1455
01:13:41,530 --> 01:13:39,350
important to people and B if it gets

1456
01:13:44,980 --> 01:13:41,540
shared and Reshard and Reshard because

1457
01:13:48,130 --> 01:13:44,990
people want to have others check this

1458
01:13:51,540 --> 01:13:48,140
knowledge out and this time around as

1459
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:51,550
much as I I was excited about it it just

1460
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:54,890
seemed to die on the vine and I was you

1461
01:13:58,960 --> 01:13:56,330
know look I was seeing it on the front

1462
01:14:02,230 --> 01:13:58,970
page of CNN I saw it on the BBC I saw it

1463
01:14:03,910 --> 01:14:02,240
on Fox and and Tucker and and you know

1464
01:14:05,950 --> 01:14:03,920
the media did their part

1465
01:14:08,110 --> 01:14:05,960
it was the response from the public

1466
01:14:10,390 --> 01:14:08,120
without clicking on these articles and

1467
01:14:12,130 --> 01:14:10,400
and the power of the click that wasn't

1468
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:12,140
there and that's the part that really

1469
01:14:16,570 --> 01:14:14,330
surprised me Nick and I can't quite

1470
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:16,580
figure out why the only thing that's in

1471
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:19,850
the way is coronavirus so maybe the

1472
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:21,770
timing is suspect and that's why they

1473
01:14:27,370 --> 01:14:24,050
dropped the story when they did that

1474
01:14:30,430 --> 01:14:27,380
could be but I think we still all the

1475
01:14:33,370 --> 01:14:30,440
history of this has still to be written

1476
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:33,380
and I still don't know whether people

1477
01:14:38,830 --> 01:14:35,930
saw this and they thought you know what

1478
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:38,840
we have bigger fish to fry at the moment

1479
01:14:44,950 --> 01:14:41,810
right coronavirus or whether people

1480
01:14:48,270 --> 01:14:44,960
thought you know what we need something

1481
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:48,280
to get us away from this constant 24/7

1482
01:14:54,100 --> 01:14:51,890
coronavirus coverage we need one other

1483
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:54,110
interesting thing to think about oh look

1484
01:15:00,640 --> 01:14:57,530
UFOs so I still don't know quite how

1485
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:00,650
this is playing out and even if the

1486
01:15:05,770 --> 01:15:03,650
Department of Defense planned this who's

1487
01:15:08,410 --> 01:15:05,780
to say they got it right in terms of

1488
01:15:11,380 --> 01:15:08,420
whether this would crash and burn or

1489
01:15:12,390 --> 01:15:11,390
whether it would take off yeah yeah I go

1490
01:15:16,020 --> 01:15:12,400
back to the point

1491
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:16,030
quantity versus quality wood do you want

1492
01:15:22,410 --> 01:15:18,730
this story if you've got something to

1493
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:22,420
say about UFOs do you want to say it to

1494
01:15:27,660 --> 01:15:25,210
a hundred thousand different people on

1495
01:15:29,459 --> 01:15:27,670
blocks or do you want five minutes face

1496
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:29,469
time with the President to talk about it

1497
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:32,770
that's right and there's there's another

1498
01:15:37,260 --> 01:15:35,170
part to this and I and I'm agreeing with

1499
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:37,270
everything that you're saying right now

1500
01:15:45,330 --> 01:15:41,530
very very interesting comments and that

1501
01:15:48,990 --> 01:15:45,340
is with the constant barrage of UFO news

1502
01:15:50,970 --> 01:15:49,000
over the last two years that maybe the

1503
01:15:53,100 --> 01:15:50,980
world has been pummeled into submission

1504
01:15:55,830 --> 01:15:53,110
on the subject they understand that

1505
01:15:58,189 --> 01:15:55,840
we're not alone now and even their

1506
01:16:00,600 --> 01:15:58,199
interest in the subject may be waning as

1507
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:00,610
crazy as that may sound

1508
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:05,050
but drip drip drip may have worked well

1509
01:16:10,979 --> 01:16:07,090
I always go back to a very interesting

1510
01:16:13,229 --> 01:16:10,989
comment made by Colonel John Alexander

1511
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:13,239
and he pointed out you don't shock

1512
01:16:19,050 --> 01:16:15,370
people by telling them something they

1513
01:16:22,470 --> 01:16:19,060
already believe and if what's going on

1514
01:16:25,709 --> 01:16:22,480
now is is maybe testing whether we're in

1515
01:16:28,830 --> 01:16:25,719
that zone then I think the answer is yes

1516
01:16:31,350 --> 01:16:28,840
we are in that zone because because yeah

1517
01:16:33,899 --> 01:16:31,360
you could say that we've we've had these

1518
01:16:36,750 --> 01:16:33,909
stories out and people are saying aliens

1519
01:16:37,470 --> 01:16:36,760
yeah why not it's not too crazy yeah

1520
01:16:39,930 --> 01:16:37,480
exactly

1521
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:39,940
and I go back I haven't talked to you

1522
01:16:48,750 --> 01:16:44,650
since this this dinner happened with me

1523
01:16:51,990 --> 01:16:48,760
but back on December 18th right the day

1524
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:52,000
after disclosure I'm with my family here

1525
01:16:59,010 --> 01:16:55,090
in Burbank for dinner and in a cookout

1526
01:17:00,360 --> 01:16:59,020
and my family never discusses UFOs with

1527
01:17:03,930 --> 01:17:00,370
me they know what I do for a job

1528
01:17:06,689 --> 01:17:03,940
whatever they're not interested which is

1529
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:06,699
fine we don't talk about we don't talk

1530
01:17:10,620 --> 01:17:08,890
about fade to black but on this

1531
01:17:13,470 --> 01:17:10,630
particular night the subject came up

1532
01:17:15,899 --> 01:17:13,480
because it was all over the news and my

1533
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:15,909
sister-in-law who has never ever talked

1534
01:17:21,899 --> 01:17:19,330
to me about UFOs said one line to me

1535
01:17:24,810 --> 01:17:21,909
that that I just won't forget you

1536
01:17:26,090 --> 01:17:24,820
because what does what's the big deal we

1537
01:17:29,580 --> 01:17:26,100
all know we're not

1538
01:17:31,830 --> 01:17:29,590
and it and I just had to stop right

1539
01:17:35,550 --> 01:17:31,840
there and absorb what she was referring

1540
01:17:37,500 --> 01:17:35,560
to yes this is big news but even for

1541
01:17:39,830 --> 01:17:37,510
somebody like me come on we're not alone

1542
01:17:44,970 --> 01:17:39,840
in the universe what's the big deal and

1543
01:17:48,150 --> 01:17:44,980
that I think that may have that idea may

1544
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:48,160
have compounded over the last two years

1545
01:17:55,020 --> 01:17:51,250
that it's the same story over and over

1546
01:17:56,870 --> 01:17:55,030
and over again not only with you ApS in

1547
01:17:58,950 --> 01:17:56,880
these three videos Nick but it's

1548
01:18:01,260 --> 01:17:58,960
exoplanets and it's the search for

1549
01:18:03,540 --> 01:18:01,270
aliens and it's fast radio bursts and

1550
01:18:08,510 --> 01:18:03,550
it's you know a one sighting after

1551
01:18:11,100 --> 01:18:08,520
another that it may be a point of

1552
01:18:13,890 --> 01:18:11,110
complacency now you know maybe maybe the

1553
01:18:17,370 --> 01:18:13,900
world is tapped out and absolutely and

1554
01:18:21,030 --> 01:18:17,380
it's a MOA MOA and it's dry no signature

1555
01:18:24,380 --> 01:18:21,040
yes and it's oh all these stories it's

1556
01:18:29,190 --> 01:18:24,390
not a single thing and it's not just

1557
01:18:31,980 --> 01:18:29,200
UFOs it's it's the the astronomy stories

1558
01:18:34,260 --> 01:18:31,990
coming out it's it's the astrophysics

1559
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:34,270
it's the theoretical physics it's some

1560
01:18:41,130 --> 01:18:38,290
of the the crazy weird science in the

1561
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:41,140
Defense Intelligence Agency letter to

1562
01:18:46,020 --> 01:18:43,330
Congress on the a tip program it's all

1563
01:18:48,570 --> 01:18:46,030
of these things taken holistically and

1564
01:18:51,810 --> 01:18:48,580
here's an interesting little thought

1565
01:18:54,480 --> 01:18:51,820
experiment if if some of this is about

1566
01:18:58,560 --> 01:18:54,490
saying have we reached a tipping point

1567
01:19:03,900 --> 01:18:58,570
where people do say as you just in that

1568
01:19:06,090 --> 01:19:03,910
anecdote unpacked is it you know so what

1569
01:19:10,110 --> 01:19:06,100
yeah I'm not surprised we always thought

1570
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:10,120
it was this if if this is a test and if

1571
01:19:15,090 --> 01:19:12,730
if the answer to the question if the

1572
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:15,100
answer to the test question is yes we

1573
01:19:20,010 --> 01:19:17,770
are at that point where people say so

1574
01:19:23,070 --> 01:19:20,020
what I always thought this was the case

1575
01:19:26,100 --> 01:19:23,080
it's not a big deal then the real

1576
01:19:29,010 --> 01:19:26,110
question is what happens next if it's a

1577
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:29,020
test you know what is it that they're

1578
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:32,410
planning to pull out now that hurtle has

1579
01:19:38,490 --> 01:19:36,250
been cleared and what is next

1580
01:19:44,340 --> 01:19:38,500
and certainly with

1581
01:19:49,890 --> 01:19:44,350
to the stars and their their group as as

1582
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:49,900
crazy as December 17th was in 2017 we

1583
01:19:57,060 --> 01:19:52,090
haven't had anything out of to the Stars

1584
01:19:59,520 --> 01:19:57,070
sense is there has that well run dry you

1585
01:20:01,890 --> 01:19:59,530
know can they can they extract anything

1586
01:20:04,670 --> 01:20:01,900
else from the Pentagon will they be able

1587
01:20:09,480 --> 01:20:04,680
to present more videos more informations

1588
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:09,490
from an testimony from others inside of

1589
01:20:14,430 --> 01:20:12,730
the Pentagon or has that closed down you

1590
01:20:17,190 --> 01:20:14,440
know what's next for somebody like to

1591
01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:17,200
the stars well I think when you listen

1592
01:20:21,480 --> 01:20:19,330
to the people like Lou Elizondo and

1593
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:21,490
Chris melon I mean firstly they'll

1594
01:20:27,870 --> 01:20:24,610
they'll say yes of course as we were

1595
01:20:30,630 --> 01:20:27,880
discussing before the break there are

1596
01:20:33,210 --> 01:20:30,640
not just three military encounters with

1597
01:20:36,500 --> 01:20:33,220
UFOs there are dozens hundreds maybe

1598
01:20:39,060 --> 01:20:36,510
more so so there are more videos to come

1599
01:20:41,270 --> 01:20:39,070
people like Lou and Chris talk about

1600
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:41,280
some of the lobbying that's gone on

1601
01:20:47,550 --> 01:20:45,130
behind the scenes with Congress Chris

1602
01:20:49,740 --> 01:20:47,560
Mellon has drafts and drafted some

1603
01:20:54,060 --> 01:20:49,750
legislation that he would like to go

1604
01:20:59,550 --> 01:20:54,070
forward you know to make reporting of

1605
01:21:02,250 --> 01:20:59,560
this easier within the system there are

1606
01:21:07,650 --> 01:21:02,260
lots of different things going on TTS a

1607
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:07,660
have have their their research agreement

1608
01:21:13,440 --> 01:21:11,050
with the US Army on the materials aspect

1609
01:21:15,590 --> 01:21:13,450
of all this and this is just the stuff

1610
01:21:18,300 --> 01:21:15,600
they've told you about I mean obviously

1611
01:21:20,130 --> 01:21:18,310
when you're talking about the spooky

1612
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:20,140
world of intelligence there's probably

1613
01:21:24,390 --> 01:21:21,610
an awful lot that these people aren't

1614
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:24,400
saying so so I think we're we're looking

1615
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:27,010
at just the tip of the iceberg and and

1616
01:21:32,340 --> 01:21:29,650
clearly there is more going on we know I

1617
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:32,350
mean look we know that the president has

1618
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:34,810
been briefed on this this isn't some

1619
01:21:41,430 --> 01:21:38,170
wild claim in a conspiracy blog he came

1620
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:41,440
out and said so on on ABC News he said

1621
01:21:45,930 --> 01:21:44,890
yeah I I I went to a short meeting on

1622
01:21:48,209 --> 01:21:45,940
this

1623
01:21:50,220 --> 01:21:48,219
and no one asked the obvious follow-up

1624
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:50,230
question well wait a minute you know

1625
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:51,489
what do you mean you went to a short

1626
01:21:55,260 --> 01:21:53,650
meeting on this two years ago the

1627
01:21:56,939 --> 01:21:55,270
official line was we're not interested

1628
01:21:59,640 --> 01:21:56,949
in this why are you going to a meeting

1629
01:22:05,280 --> 01:21:59,650
on something the US government isn't

1630
01:22:08,459 --> 01:22:05,290
doing then we had mark Warner and gene

1631
01:22:09,990 --> 01:22:08,469
Sheehan saying in the Intelligence

1632
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:10,000
Committee in the Armed Services

1633
01:22:13,820 --> 01:22:11,489
Committee that they'd been briefed

1634
01:22:18,780 --> 01:22:13,830
various other senators being briefed

1635
01:22:22,979 --> 01:22:18,790
there's a lot going on yes but do you

1636
01:22:24,750 --> 01:22:22,989
think that the the Pentagon and the

1637
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:24,760
United States Navy the Air Force has

1638
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:29,050
been suspicious is suspiciously silent

1639
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:31,090
on all of this it's just been the Navy

1640
01:22:37,890 --> 01:22:34,449
and the Pentagon but that maybe these

1641
01:22:40,740 --> 01:22:37,900
three videos were mishandled from the

1642
01:22:44,610 --> 01:22:40,750
beginning and anything else is going to

1643
01:22:47,220 --> 01:22:44,620
be freeing locked down that there will

1644
01:22:49,979 --> 01:22:47,230
not be anything else released well to

1645
01:22:52,110 --> 01:22:49,989
two points on that firstly it was very

1646
01:22:55,620 --> 01:22:52,120
interesting when you look at the text of

1647
01:23:00,030 --> 01:22:55,630
the statement that the Department of

1648
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:00,040
Defense issued on April 27th they refer

1649
01:23:06,660 --> 01:23:02,250
they deliberately use the word

1650
01:23:10,050 --> 01:23:06,670
unauthorized to describe the previous

1651
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:10,060
release of this what that says to me is

1652
01:23:15,780 --> 01:23:11,650
that there's a little bit of a turf war

1653
01:23:19,590 --> 01:23:15,790
going on here maybe between the people

1654
01:23:21,930 --> 01:23:19,600
doing it now and the people and and by

1655
01:23:23,610 --> 01:23:21,940
that I mean Lou Elizondo and Chris melon

1656
01:23:26,090 --> 01:23:23,620
the people who used to be doing it so

1657
01:23:28,979 --> 01:23:26,100
that's one thing that the deliberate

1658
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:28,989
provocative shot across the bowels use

1659
01:23:35,970 --> 01:23:31,810
of the word unauthorized I mean that's

1660
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:35,980
that's a strong word yes it is you know

1661
01:23:41,010 --> 01:23:38,890
the the other point with this is that

1662
01:23:42,930 --> 01:23:41,020
you mentioned the Air Force and the lack

1663
01:23:46,550 --> 01:23:42,940
of the Air Force look here's what

1664
01:23:50,430 --> 01:23:46,560
happened the US Navy started issuing

1665
01:23:52,970 --> 01:23:50,440
these statements and one of the most

1666
01:23:56,310 --> 01:23:52,980
famous ones of course was when a

1667
01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:56,320
confirmed - Stephen green street at the

1668
01:23:59,620 --> 01:23:57,610
New York Post

1669
01:24:01,990 --> 01:23:59,630
they used the phrase

1670
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:02,000
made aerial phenomena and said yes a tip

1671
01:24:10,750 --> 01:24:07,489
did look at this and and this was a sort

1672
01:24:14,860 --> 01:24:10,760
of again a 180 degree turn on what

1673
01:24:17,610 --> 01:24:14,870
they'd said previously but what happened

1674
01:24:20,500 --> 01:24:17,620
was that the Department of Defense

1675
01:24:22,540 --> 01:24:20,510
essentially took this over from the Navy

1676
01:24:23,950 --> 01:24:22,550
and they said look we don't want the

1677
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:23,960
Navy doing this we don't want the

1678
01:24:29,590 --> 01:24:25,370
airforce doing this we're gonna do this

1679
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:29,600
on a tri-service basis DoD essentially

1680
01:24:34,300 --> 01:24:32,449
took this off the Navy and that's why

1681
01:24:35,979 --> 01:24:34,310
you don't hear from the Navy anymore and

1682
01:24:39,310 --> 01:24:35,989
it's why you don't hear much out of the

1683
01:24:43,090 --> 01:24:39,320
Air Force it's a very interesting way to

1684
01:24:46,870 --> 01:24:43,100
look at it and the other part and is

1685
01:24:50,110 --> 01:24:46,880
that now that Chris Chris Mellon and Lou

1686
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:50,120
Elizondo don't have an official capacity

1687
01:24:56,379 --> 01:24:52,489
or an office or anything like that at

1688
01:24:59,560 --> 01:24:56,389
the Pentagon any longer than they all

1689
01:25:03,580 --> 01:24:59,570
right that we know of absolutely much

1690
01:25:08,620 --> 01:25:03,590
like yourself Nick it with the point

1691
01:25:12,669 --> 01:25:08,630
being who is who is on the inside to to

1692
01:25:15,430 --> 01:25:12,679
push these videos out and get release

1693
01:25:18,820 --> 01:25:15,440
form signed if if Lou and Chris aren't

1694
01:25:20,530 --> 01:25:18,830
there there has to be somebody that is

1695
01:25:23,229 --> 01:25:20,540
in that position that they used to have

1696
01:25:26,350 --> 01:25:23,239
right yes absolutely somebody's doing

1697
01:25:28,780 --> 01:25:26,360
this look nobody's pretending for a

1698
01:25:31,330 --> 01:25:28,790
moment that UFO sightings have stopped

1699
01:25:33,939 --> 01:25:31,340
clearly they haven't so somebody is

1700
01:25:37,030 --> 01:25:33,949
still doing this the portfolio still

1701
01:25:39,910 --> 01:25:37,040
exists you don't suddenly stop being

1702
01:25:41,050 --> 01:25:39,920
interested in incursions into restricted

1703
01:25:43,180 --> 01:25:41,060
military airspace

1704
01:25:45,550 --> 01:25:43,190
of course you don't so so somebody's

1705
01:25:48,010 --> 01:25:45,560
doing this but as ever the most

1706
01:25:50,050 --> 01:25:48,020
interesting players in the game are the

1707
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:50,060
ones whose names you've never even heard

1708
01:25:54,669 --> 01:25:51,650
of that's right that's right

1709
01:25:58,300 --> 01:25:54,679
and and and I often wonder as we head

1710
01:26:01,060 --> 01:25:58,310
into the break how much inside of the

1711
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:01,070
Pentagon that these three videos have

1712
01:26:07,060 --> 01:26:03,650
been discussed I mean like talked about

1713
01:26:09,340 --> 01:26:07,070
and I have a fear my Pandora's box is

1714
01:26:10,069 --> 01:26:09,350
that nobody in the Pentagon gives a

1715
01:26:12,679 --> 01:26:10,079
rat's

1716
01:26:15,020 --> 01:26:12,689
ask about these videos and nobody's

1717
01:26:17,449 --> 01:26:15,030
talking about them and that all of this

1718
01:26:20,869 --> 01:26:17,459
is a part of the UFO community and our

1719
01:26:23,419 --> 01:26:20,879
discussion and the Pentagon has way

1720
01:26:25,750 --> 01:26:23,429
moved on because the more that we talk

1721
01:26:29,089 --> 01:26:25,760
about this on the outside the more that

1722
01:26:30,889 --> 01:26:29,099
the attention is lifted off of them so

1723
01:26:33,859 --> 01:26:30,899
they can go and do their other things

1724
01:26:36,079 --> 01:26:33,869
that's my Pandora's box well of course

1725
01:26:38,659 --> 01:26:36,089
one person who who made a an

1726
01:26:40,699 --> 01:26:38,669
enthusiastic comment about the the

1727
01:26:43,489 --> 01:26:40,709
videos the other day was the president

1728
01:26:44,239 --> 01:26:43,499
and he said in his his conversation with

1729
01:26:46,819 --> 01:26:44,249
Reuters

1730
01:26:50,599 --> 01:26:46,829
he said that's one hell of a video yeah

1731
01:26:52,849 --> 01:26:50,609
and it isn't you just said you know

1732
01:26:54,979 --> 01:26:52,859
reversal you know and flip-flop a couple

1733
01:26:57,199 --> 01:26:54,989
of times it during this show couldn't

1734
01:27:01,669 --> 01:26:57,209
agree with you more because last year

1735
01:27:03,229 --> 01:27:01,679
with Tucker the president said you know

1736
01:27:05,449 --> 01:27:03,239
what I've seen the videos and I don't

1737
01:27:06,649 --> 01:27:05,459
see UFOs but that doesn't mean that the

1738
01:27:08,979 --> 01:27:06,659
pilots haven't seen something

1739
01:27:12,859 --> 01:27:08,989
interesting of course I'm paraphrasing a

1740
01:27:15,709 --> 01:27:12,869
year later the president now seems to be

1741
01:27:19,729 --> 01:27:15,719
saying something else why would he

1742
01:27:22,250 --> 01:27:19,739
flip-flop yeah and and if you look the

1743
01:27:24,199 --> 01:27:22,260
president gave three video at seven

1744
01:27:28,689 --> 01:27:24,209
three videos three interviews on this

1745
01:27:32,659 --> 01:27:28,699
yes to open up ABC right yeah ABC News

1746
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:32,669
Tucker Carlson on Fox and most recently

1747
01:27:39,319 --> 01:27:36,570
Reuters on on one of those quote one

1748
01:27:41,689 --> 01:27:39,329
quote that is maybe most interesting is

1749
01:27:43,339 --> 01:27:41,699
when he said our pilots are seeing

1750
01:27:45,199 --> 01:27:43,349
something I'm paraphrasing but he said

1751
01:27:48,709 --> 01:27:45,209
there does seem to be something a little

1752
01:27:50,929 --> 01:27:48,719
bit different and we're watching yeah

1753
01:27:55,219 --> 01:27:50,939
yeah very interesting very exciting

1754
01:27:57,250 --> 01:27:55,229
times it's never been quite like this we

1755
01:28:01,179 --> 01:27:57,260
would have to go back to the original

1756
01:28:04,790 --> 01:28:01,189
press briefings at the Pentagon in 1952

1757
01:28:07,429 --> 01:28:04,800
it's really been that long let's take a

1758
01:28:09,349 --> 01:28:07,439
break right here our guest tonight Nick

1759
01:28:11,569 --> 01:28:09,359
Pope I am your host Jimmy Church when we

1760
01:28:14,419 --> 01:28:11,579
come back Nick are you ready you want to

1761
01:28:17,179 --> 01:28:14,429
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1762
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do it take a quick break Nick Pope is

1763
01:28:22,660 --> 01:28:18,659
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01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:38,079
as we move on to Rendlesham do you feel

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sometimes that you somehow reveal

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end of the show reads like man I I need

1861
01:34:00,359 --> 01:33:57,010
I need a redo you know it's always

1862
01:34:02,489 --> 01:34:00,369
difficult there's a line and I I had

1863
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:02,499
this discussion with Lou actually and

1864
01:34:08,669 --> 01:34:04,570
and you know neither of us are

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01:34:11,429 --> 01:34:08,679
whistleblowers both of us are you know

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01:34:15,959 --> 01:34:11,439
very loyal to our respective countries

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01:34:20,660 --> 01:34:15,969
and and the point is we know where the

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line is it's difficult sometimes to

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01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:23,469
close enough that to that line to say

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01:34:28,399 --> 01:34:25,570
something meaningful and not cross it

1871
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:28,409
but I think I think both of us know you

1872
01:34:38,069 --> 01:34:33,130
know where would be a step too far yeah

1873
01:34:43,109 --> 01:34:38,079
well and here's here's excuse me here's

1874
01:34:48,449 --> 01:34:43,119
my point I don't think that any

1875
01:34:52,290 --> 01:34:48,459
government would throw a past employee

1876
01:34:57,029 --> 01:34:52,300
in jail or prosecute or come down on

1877
01:35:00,209 --> 01:34:57,039
them for speaking about UFOs I just and

1878
01:35:02,669 --> 01:35:00,219
and and presenting facts I don't I don't

1879
01:35:06,779 --> 01:35:02,679
ever see that happening because if they

1880
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:06,789
did then that a that person is a martyr

1881
01:35:10,949 --> 01:35:09,130
number one they fell on their own sword

1882
01:35:12,500 --> 01:35:10,959
and it says that everything that they

1883
01:35:14,569 --> 01:35:12,510
said is the truth

1884
01:35:17,779 --> 01:35:14,579
and the second part about it is they

1885
01:35:19,939 --> 01:35:17,789
would have to open up a you know decades

1886
01:35:22,759 --> 01:35:19,949
of lies and that would have to come

1887
01:35:24,799 --> 01:35:22,769
forward about them so therefore I don't

1888
01:35:27,290 --> 01:35:24,809
think anybody would would do anything to

1889
01:35:29,330 --> 01:35:27,300
any employer I don't think the feds

1890
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:29,340
would throw somebody in jail for

1891
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:32,010
speaking about UFOs in any capacity

1892
01:35:37,939 --> 01:35:35,130
it's an interesting point and I go back

1893
01:35:40,790 --> 01:35:37,949
to to something I said a few moments ago

1894
01:35:44,359 --> 01:35:40,800
you surf the word are not authorized by

1895
01:35:47,509 --> 01:35:44,369
the Pentagon on April 27th was very

1896
01:35:49,970 --> 01:35:47,519
interesting and it did strike me as

1897
01:35:53,839 --> 01:35:49,980
being a shot across the bow look as I

1898
01:35:56,060 --> 01:35:53,849
see it the fundamental issue is you

1899
01:36:01,000 --> 01:35:56,070
don't discuss classified information on

1900
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:01,010
any subject and as we know people who've

1901
01:36:07,279 --> 01:36:03,570
divulged classified information without

1902
01:36:10,910 --> 01:36:07,289
proper authority Edward Snowden chelsea

1903
01:36:13,189 --> 01:36:10,920
manning the full resources of the state

1904
01:36:15,649 --> 01:36:13,199
and the criminal justice system are

1905
01:36:18,740 --> 01:36:15,659
brought to bear upon them mm-hmm no I

1906
01:36:20,629 --> 01:36:18,750
take your point though with UFOs it

1907
01:36:22,370 --> 01:36:20,639
would be much more difficult because for

1908
01:36:24,470 --> 01:36:22,380
decades the government has said there's

1909
01:36:28,279 --> 01:36:24,480
nothing to it right it's all swamp gas

1910
01:36:31,100 --> 01:36:28,289
so so it would be very difficult to to

1911
01:36:34,310 --> 01:36:31,110
then throw those full resources of the

1912
01:36:37,279 --> 01:36:34,320
state after those people on a subject

1913
01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:37,289
which you've just said is just swamp gas

1914
01:36:42,439 --> 01:36:40,050
now you could fall back on well it

1915
01:36:44,870 --> 01:36:42,449
wasn't what they said but it was what

1916
01:36:48,979 --> 01:36:44,880
they disclosed about methods and sources

1917
01:36:51,350 --> 01:36:48,989
of gathering information but it gets you

1918
01:36:54,049 --> 01:36:51,360
into difficult territory yeah it

1919
01:36:59,029 --> 01:36:54,059
certainly would it certainly would but I

1920
01:37:02,169 --> 01:36:59,039
just I just don't say I can't everything

1921
01:37:05,899 --> 01:37:02,179
in court would have to come out

1922
01:37:07,910 --> 01:37:05,909
everything everything would have to come

1923
01:37:10,339 --> 01:37:07,920
out in court there's just no way you

1924
01:37:12,259 --> 01:37:10,349
know which led with Jesse and seem to

1925
01:37:15,350 --> 01:37:12,269
close the court they'd have to you know

1926
01:37:17,899 --> 01:37:15,360
it would have to be held what is the

1927
01:37:20,450 --> 01:37:17,909
saying in in the UK we use the saying in

1928
01:37:23,359 --> 01:37:20,460
camera you you would have to go into US

1929
01:37:25,390 --> 01:37:23,369
or closed private session and that in

1930
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:25,400
and of itself would

1931
01:37:29,860 --> 01:37:27,050
you something why are they going into a

1932
01:37:33,610 --> 01:37:29,870
closed session on UFOs I thought this

1933
01:37:36,010 --> 01:37:33,620
was just swamp gas yeah what I want to

1934
01:37:38,020 --> 01:37:36,020
get to Rendlesham and also tonight I

1935
01:37:40,270 --> 01:37:38,030
want to ask you about Brazil too and

1936
01:37:44,229 --> 01:37:40,280
what is going on down there let's swing

1937
01:37:48,370 --> 01:37:44,239
over to Rendlesham we had a Nick Redfern

1938
01:37:52,390 --> 01:37:48,380
on the show I'm going to say two weeks

1939
01:37:57,310 --> 01:37:52,400
ago discussing his new book the

1940
01:38:01,330 --> 01:37:57,320
Rendlesham forest UFO incident and that

1941
01:38:04,630 --> 01:38:01,340
it's a government cover-up of government

1942
01:38:07,479 --> 01:38:04,640
experiments okay on military personnel

1943
01:38:09,669 --> 01:38:07,489
we'll get to that in a second John

1944
01:38:12,820 --> 01:38:09,679
burrows was listening to the broadcast

1945
01:38:15,160 --> 01:38:12,830
that night and attempted to call into

1946
01:38:17,770 --> 01:38:15,170
the show I didn't pick up but he did

1947
01:38:19,270 --> 01:38:17,780
call in the next night which was open

1948
01:38:22,630 --> 01:38:19,280
lines and we ended up talking to John

1949
01:38:25,149 --> 01:38:22,640
for about 90 minutes and then last week

1950
01:38:29,229 --> 01:38:25,159
we had Jim Penniston on to discuss his

1951
01:38:33,010 --> 01:38:29,239
new book and the the Rendlesham enigma

1952
01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:33,020
and of course Nick Redfern and some of

1953
01:38:39,189 --> 01:38:35,210
the things that he is postulating with

1954
01:38:42,550 --> 01:38:39,199
his theories in in the new book when you

1955
01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:42,560
look back just like a tip right and the

1956
01:38:47,620 --> 01:38:45,890
Navy the story keeps coming back keeps

1957
01:38:50,729 --> 01:38:47,630
coming back and you've been involved

1958
01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:50,739
with Rendlesham since the early days

1959
01:38:58,320 --> 01:38:54,530
it's is this a story that is as never

1960
01:39:01,000 --> 01:38:58,330
going to go away well to coin a phrase

1961
01:39:05,649 --> 01:39:01,010
just when I thought I was out they pull

1962
01:39:10,570 --> 01:39:05,659
me back in that's right that's right you

1963
01:39:14,140 --> 01:39:10,580
know I don't know how far I want to go

1964
01:39:18,760 --> 01:39:14,150
with this but I wrote of course my own

1965
01:39:22,229 --> 01:39:18,770
book on on this in what 2014 so what's

1966
01:39:24,700 --> 01:39:22,239
that six six years ago co-wrote it with

1967
01:39:26,500 --> 01:39:24,710
John Burroughs and Jim Penniston of

1968
01:39:30,430 --> 01:39:26,510
course encounter in Rendlesham forest

1969
01:39:33,970 --> 01:39:30,440
and we went into I mean Nick Redfern

1970
01:39:36,340 --> 01:39:33,980
I've not read an expert but I'm from

1971
01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:36,350
what I've seen of his his interviews and

1972
01:39:41,200 --> 01:39:38,810
couple of media articles about

1973
01:39:43,330 --> 01:39:41,210
his book he goes down the road as you

1974
01:39:46,930 --> 01:39:43,340
just said of this being some sort of

1975
01:39:51,640 --> 01:39:46,940
government experiment see how people

1976
01:39:55,110 --> 01:39:51,650
react Holograms mind-control whatever

1977
01:39:58,720 --> 01:39:55,120
John Jim and I kind of covered this

1978
01:40:01,180 --> 01:39:58,730
actually six years ago I'm in I don't

1979
01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:01,190
know what is chapter 9 chapter 9 of our

1980
01:40:06,550 --> 01:40:03,530
book it's it's this there's a few pages

1981
01:40:10,500 --> 01:40:06,560
on it and we went into all this ghost

1982
01:40:13,780 --> 01:40:10,510
guns the idea that that you know

1983
01:40:16,210 --> 01:40:13,790
technology exists to project Holograms

1984
01:40:19,720 --> 01:40:16,220
which would be so realistic that that

1985
01:40:21,850 --> 01:40:19,730
they could be used military purposes you

1986
01:40:24,160 --> 01:40:21,860
know you could fake you could fake an

1987
01:40:27,490 --> 01:40:24,170
alien invasion you could fake the second

1988
01:40:30,160 --> 01:40:27,500
coming of Christ you could fake Russians

1989
01:40:34,290 --> 01:40:30,170
coming through the Fulda gap whatever

1990
01:40:38,110 --> 01:40:34,300
you want to do we the ghost gun

1991
01:40:41,800 --> 01:40:38,120
Hallucigenia drugs some combination of

1992
01:40:45,220 --> 01:40:41,810
this we we covered all this and you know

1993
01:40:47,350 --> 01:40:45,230
we looked there frankly without wanting

1994
01:40:50,170 --> 01:40:47,360
to rain on Nick's parade we weren't

1995
01:40:52,240 --> 01:40:50,180
particularly convinced by any of this

1996
01:40:54,670 --> 01:40:52,250
and and you know Nick's

1997
01:40:56,530 --> 01:40:54,680
mix obviously on the outside looking in

1998
01:40:59,140 --> 01:40:56,540
John Jim and I have been on the inside

1999
01:41:02,260 --> 01:40:59,150
looking out we perhaps see it

2000
01:41:06,910 --> 01:41:02,270
fundamentally different ways but yeah we

2001
01:41:14,020 --> 01:41:06,920
we covered this six years ago and and as

2002
01:41:17,770 --> 01:41:14,030
I say yeah I'm not convinced the the the

2003
01:41:20,890 --> 01:41:17,780
basis of Nick's approach to this Nick

2004
01:41:22,540 --> 01:41:20,900
Redfern which I think he maintained

2005
01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:22,550
pretty strong during this show

2006
01:41:28,690 --> 01:41:25,010
especially with somebody like me because

2007
01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:28,700
I have my views on Rendlesham I think

2008
01:41:32,950 --> 01:41:30,530
it's the number one or the number two

2009
01:41:37,570 --> 01:41:32,960
most significant UFO event in history

2010
01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:37,580
and everybody is still alive it's modern

2011
01:41:42,910 --> 01:41:40,970
it's not in the distant past so all of

2012
01:41:45,700 --> 01:41:42,920
the witnesses we can interview in the

2013
01:41:48,610 --> 01:41:45,710
firsthand today which we all have done

2014
01:41:50,590 --> 01:41:48,620
including yourself we don't have a

2015
01:41:50,830 --> 01:41:50,600
second third fourth fifth Hanna counts

2016
01:41:53,140 --> 01:41:50,840
that

2017
01:41:56,430 --> 01:41:53,150
going back 70 years this is a different

2018
01:42:00,010 --> 01:41:56,440
situation with Rendlesham but nick has

2019
01:42:03,129 --> 01:42:00,020
maintained that these are just theories

2020
01:42:06,939 --> 01:42:03,139
I have done the interviews I have looked

2021
01:42:09,580 --> 01:42:06,949
at what evidence I can and I am putting

2022
01:42:11,290 --> 01:42:09,590
this out there for discussion I'm not

2023
01:42:13,390 --> 01:42:11,300
saying that this is what happened in

2024
01:42:16,060 --> 01:42:13,400
Rendlesham forest I'm saying that this

2025
01:42:18,070 --> 01:42:16,070
is something that we should consider is

2026
01:42:22,390 --> 01:42:18,080
it something that you would consider

2027
01:42:24,879 --> 01:42:22,400
that it's there's a possibility that it

2028
01:42:27,010 --> 01:42:24,889
wasn't et at all and in anything else

2029
01:42:28,930 --> 01:42:27,020
but it could have been something much

2030
01:42:30,930 --> 01:42:28,940
more terrestrial is there something to

2031
01:42:34,240 --> 01:42:30,940
consider to put on the table and discuss

2032
01:42:39,129 --> 01:42:34,250
sure it's something to consider and we

2033
01:42:42,580 --> 01:42:39,139
considered it six years ago I in one

2034
01:42:45,359 --> 01:42:42,590
sense I agree with Nick I mean all these

2035
01:42:47,680 --> 01:42:45,369
are just theories at the end of

2036
01:42:51,189 --> 01:42:47,690
encounter in Rendlesham forest

2037
01:42:54,640 --> 01:42:51,199
John Jim and I did not say because it

2038
01:42:58,030 --> 01:42:54,650
would have been arrogant and incorrect

2039
01:43:00,879 --> 01:42:58,040
we did not say to our readers and now

2040
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:00,889
we're going to reveal to you the truth

2041
01:43:08,290 --> 01:43:04,010
this is what it is the honest truth is

2042
01:43:10,810 --> 01:43:08,300
we don't know and that's to this day the

2043
01:43:11,979 --> 01:43:10,820
official position of of both the British

2044
01:43:14,439 --> 01:43:11,989
government and the United States

2045
01:43:16,930 --> 01:43:14,449
government we don't know so yeah Nick

2046
01:43:18,970 --> 01:43:16,940
Redferns right put put the theory out

2047
01:43:23,109 --> 01:43:18,980
there for discussion I mean we put it

2048
01:43:27,310 --> 01:43:23,119
out six six years ago Nick obviously has

2049
01:43:30,510 --> 01:43:27,320
has I'm sure dived much deeper into this

2050
01:43:32,740 --> 01:43:30,520
and and maybe built on on that and and

2051
01:43:36,550 --> 01:43:32,750
good luck to him and I look forward to

2052
01:43:38,830 --> 01:43:36,560
to reading it and and it sounds to me

2053
01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:38,840
from what you say as if he's taking a

2054
01:43:45,580 --> 01:43:42,770
very healthy approach on this ie the

2055
01:43:48,339 --> 01:43:45,590
same approach we took let's not try and

2056
01:43:50,410 --> 01:43:48,349
kid people that we know for sure what

2057
01:43:53,080 --> 01:43:50,420
happened let's just put some theories

2058
01:43:57,129 --> 01:43:53,090
out there and at the end of the day let

2059
01:44:00,300 --> 01:43:57,139
readers make up their own minds one of

2060
01:44:03,209 --> 01:44:00,310
the the difficult positions that I have

2061
01:44:06,989 --> 01:44:03,219
with this is the suggestion

2062
01:44:09,660 --> 01:44:06,999
a mild hallucinogenic drug being fogged

2063
01:44:12,709 --> 01:44:09,670
and misted into Rendlesham forest and

2064
01:44:15,390 --> 01:44:12,719
and this was part of this experiment

2065
01:44:18,899 --> 01:44:15,400
because as far as I know Nick I don't

2066
01:44:22,709 --> 01:44:18,909
know how much hallucinogenic drugs you

2067
01:44:24,649 --> 01:44:22,719
have done in your past but as far as I

2068
01:44:28,649 --> 01:44:24,659
know it's okay you don't have to answer

2069
01:44:30,629 --> 01:44:28,659
as far as I know two or three people on

2070
01:44:34,259 --> 01:44:30,639
the same drug are not going to

2071
01:44:36,149 --> 01:44:34,269
hallucinate the exact same thing that is

2072
01:44:39,569 --> 01:44:36,159
where we're kind of pushing the line

2073
01:44:42,779 --> 01:44:39,579
here where if you're gonna be confronted

2074
01:44:46,439 --> 01:44:42,789
with a difficult hurdle to jump over I

2075
01:44:49,709 --> 01:44:46,449
think that's the first one don't you yes

2076
01:44:54,989 --> 01:44:49,719
no there are to be fair and you can you

2077
01:44:59,189 --> 01:44:54,999
can read this in in you know Diagnostic

2078
01:45:01,890 --> 01:44:59,199
and Statistical Manual there are may

2079
01:45:06,120 --> 01:45:01,900
what do you call them like a folly

2080
01:45:09,379 --> 01:45:06,130
ardour and folly our pleasure so so

2081
01:45:12,419 --> 01:45:09,389
there are there are some interesting

2082
01:45:15,779 --> 01:45:12,429
psychological conditions where you can

2083
01:45:17,810 --> 01:45:15,789
get shared hallucinations not not

2084
01:45:21,660 --> 01:45:17,820
necessarily anything to do with drugs

2085
01:45:23,669 --> 01:45:21,670
and and then on on drugs that's

2086
01:45:27,810 --> 01:45:23,679
interesting as well because of course we

2087
01:45:30,899 --> 01:45:27,820
know with with things such as MKULTRA

2088
01:45:33,479 --> 01:45:30,909
and the Church Committee we know that

2089
01:45:35,939 --> 01:45:33,489
there has been how should I put it

2090
01:45:39,709 --> 01:45:35,949
tactfully a certain sort of dark past

2091
01:45:42,600 --> 01:45:39,719
mm-hmm when it it comes to all this and

2092
01:45:45,419 --> 01:45:42,610
one interesting thing that we did turn

2093
01:45:48,839 --> 01:45:45,429
up in our book is despite the Church

2094
01:45:53,100 --> 01:45:48,849
Committee recommending that all this

2095
01:45:56,330 --> 01:45:53,110
cease we found an Air Force Office of

2096
01:45:58,379 --> 01:45:56,340
Special Investigations manual

2097
01:46:03,870 --> 01:45:58,389
contemporaneous to the Rendlesham forest

2098
01:46:07,319 --> 01:46:03,880
incident so 1980 which said if you want

2099
01:46:09,989 --> 01:46:07,329
to use drugs or hypnosis in an

2100
01:46:11,939 --> 01:46:09,999
interrogation you should put that

2101
01:46:14,310 --> 01:46:11,949
request up the chain of command

2102
01:46:15,560 --> 01:46:14,320
well why that's interesting of course is

2103
01:46:17,390 --> 01:46:15,570
that our

2104
01:46:19,669 --> 01:46:17,400
the church committee what it should have

2105
01:46:22,970 --> 01:46:19,679
said is these techniques are not to be

2106
01:46:28,459 --> 01:46:22,980
used at all yeah that's right

2107
01:46:30,890 --> 01:46:28,469
and the the MKULTRA question especially

2108
01:46:32,899 --> 01:46:30,900
when we're talking about conspiracies

2109
01:46:35,209 --> 01:46:32,909
and would this stuff actually happen or

2110
01:46:39,080 --> 01:46:35,219
would our government do it through those

2111
01:46:41,660 --> 01:46:39,090
hearings and the blatant instructions

2112
01:46:44,740 --> 01:46:41,670
from the CIA to everybody across the

2113
01:46:47,359 --> 01:46:44,750
United States which was shred your files

2114
01:46:49,669 --> 01:46:47,369
right and so everything was destroyed

2115
01:46:51,919 --> 01:46:49,679
except for a couple of hundred pages

2116
01:46:53,810 --> 01:46:51,929
that are still around today for

2117
01:46:56,870 --> 01:46:53,820
historical documents but they prove

2118
01:46:58,250 --> 01:46:56,880
without a doubt that these experiments

2119
01:47:00,260 --> 01:46:58,260
were going on and we know the

2120
01:47:04,669 --> 01:47:00,270
classification of the secret program is

2121
01:47:07,160 --> 01:47:04,679
called MKULTRA right yes and every time

2122
01:47:08,390 --> 01:47:07,170
I hear someone D say oh the government

2123
01:47:10,850 --> 01:47:08,400
would never do that

2124
01:47:13,819 --> 01:47:10,860
I just laughed to myself and say oh yes

2125
01:47:17,390 --> 01:47:13,829
they would yeah it's called MKULTRA

2126
01:47:20,240 --> 01:47:17,400
now there's okay there's another element

2127
01:47:21,770 --> 01:47:20,250
to this and I did discuss this with Jim

2128
01:47:27,260 --> 01:47:21,780
last week

2129
01:47:31,339 --> 01:47:27,270
Penniston which is if the use of some

2130
01:47:34,839 --> 01:47:31,349
type of holographic technology whatever

2131
01:47:40,580 --> 01:47:34,849
it is some type of projection technology

2132
01:47:44,510 --> 01:47:40,590
is one thing up in the skies but Jim had

2133
01:47:47,660 --> 01:47:44,520
a physical craft in the woods that he

2134
01:47:50,450 --> 01:47:47,670
touched that others also witnessed in

2135
01:47:52,520 --> 01:47:50,460
the woods halt and his crew and of

2136
01:47:56,030 --> 01:47:52,530
course others now this is what is

2137
01:47:57,680 --> 01:47:56,040
interesting with that is Jim couldn't

2138
01:48:00,950 --> 01:47:57,690
have reached out and touched and

2139
01:48:03,770 --> 01:48:00,960
physically described a physical craft if

2140
01:48:05,660 --> 01:48:03,780
it was a holographic projection this is

2141
01:48:09,470 --> 01:48:05,670
something else that is a hurdle that

2142
01:48:14,120 --> 01:48:09,480
seems very high to jump over for Nick in

2143
01:48:16,060 --> 01:48:14,130
his book don't you yes I mean nobody's

2144
01:48:19,399 --> 01:48:16,070
denying that holographic technology

2145
01:48:22,040 --> 01:48:19,409
exists and I I don't like to use the

2146
01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:22,050
phrase ghost gun but there's no getting

2147
01:48:26,839 --> 01:48:24,090
away from the fact that it's it's so

2148
01:48:29,870 --> 01:48:26,849
phrased that that people with some

2149
01:48:32,780 --> 01:48:29,880
knowledge of this feel familiar with it

2150
01:48:34,610 --> 01:48:32,790
kind of you know it kind of gives a

2151
01:48:37,550 --> 01:48:34,620
sense of what we're talking about maybe

2152
01:48:41,860 --> 01:48:37,560
but look that technology certainly

2153
01:48:45,710 --> 01:48:41,870
wasn't there in December 1980 and again

2154
01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:45,720
in encounter in Rendlesham forest we

2155
01:48:53,570 --> 01:48:50,010
turned up for example a document on the

2156
01:48:57,140 --> 01:48:53,580
role of behavioral science in physical

2157
01:48:59,840 --> 01:48:57,150
security and and this is all you know

2158
01:49:02,510 --> 01:48:59,850
highly classified staff at the time and

2159
01:49:06,260 --> 01:49:02,520
it turns around and says look you know

2160
01:49:10,430 --> 01:49:06,270
we we could maybe try and do some sort

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01:49:13,160 --> 01:49:10,440
of covert test on the guard force to see

2162
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:13,170
how they would react but it finishes up

2163
01:49:20,600 --> 01:49:17,010
by saying nobody would know nobody would

2164
01:49:22,850 --> 01:49:20,610
be under any kind of misconception that

2165
01:49:26,290 --> 01:49:22,860
this was anything other than a test you

2166
01:49:30,260 --> 01:49:26,300
couldn't really spring it as a

2167
01:49:32,060 --> 01:49:30,270
real-world event everyone would know it

2168
01:49:34,310 --> 01:49:32,070
was an exercise and there would know

2169
01:49:36,170 --> 01:49:34,320
there would be no way certainly back in

2170
01:49:38,000 --> 01:49:36,180
December 1980 there would be no way of

2171
01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:38,010
covering up the fact that it was an

2172
01:49:44,540 --> 01:49:41,010
exercise so the technology didn't exist

2173
01:49:48,290 --> 01:49:44,550
and and just the processes and the

2174
01:49:50,990 --> 01:49:48,300
procedures to to do this kind of thing

2175
01:49:54,920 --> 01:49:51,000
didn't exist either so I think I think

2176
01:50:00,500 --> 01:49:54,930
Nick's kind of you know he's he's found

2177
01:50:03,500 --> 01:50:00,510
some some genuine concepts and he's put

2178
01:50:07,670 --> 01:50:03,510
it out there as you say you know put it

2179
01:50:13,540 --> 01:50:07,680
on the table but but I don't think it

2180
01:50:16,970 --> 01:50:13,550
flies now there was a very interesting

2181
01:50:19,960 --> 01:50:16,980
for me at least revelation with John

2182
01:50:28,060 --> 01:50:19,970
Burroughs the night after Nick Redfern

2183
01:50:34,490 --> 01:50:28,070
which was this John said that the time

2184
01:50:38,450 --> 01:50:34,500
travel element of Jim peniston's account

2185
01:50:40,700 --> 01:50:38,460
of Rendlesham I'm paraphrasing here but

2186
01:50:44,720 --> 01:50:40,710
I want to stay as accurate as I can

2187
01:50:48,620 --> 01:50:44,730
that the time travel element was brought

2188
01:50:51,350 --> 01:50:48,630
out in Burroughs own regression and

2189
01:50:53,240 --> 01:50:51,360
hypnosis sessions that he didn't

2190
01:50:57,080 --> 01:50:53,250
remember he went back upon further

2191
01:51:01,880 --> 01:50:57,090
review and listened and time travel was

2192
01:51:04,580 --> 01:51:01,890
discussed in those sessions now what do

2193
01:51:08,270 --> 01:51:04,590
you make of that part of it from John

2194
01:51:12,229 --> 01:51:08,280
which seems to further cooperate

2195
01:51:14,420 --> 01:51:12,239
Jim peniston's testimony well it's

2196
01:51:16,370 --> 01:51:14,430
interesting because John and Jim as you

2197
01:51:20,270 --> 01:51:16,380
know have have had a fairly major

2198
01:51:24,140 --> 01:51:20,280
falling-out yes since since the three of

2199
01:51:27,490 --> 01:51:24,150
us collaborated on on encounter in

2200
01:51:31,459 --> 01:51:27,500
Rendlesham forest back in - that well

2201
01:51:35,780 --> 01:51:31,469
2012-13 I guess published in 2014 but

2202
01:51:38,180 --> 01:51:35,790
the time travel aspects of all this look

2203
01:51:43,660 --> 01:51:38,190
I'm not an expert on time travel I know

2204
01:51:46,640 --> 01:51:43,670
that that I know that dr. Ronald Mallett

2205
01:51:50,000 --> 01:51:46,650
professor Ronald Mallett is one of the

2206
01:51:53,090 --> 01:51:50,010
few theoretical physicists who's talked

2207
01:51:55,430 --> 01:51:53,100
about time travel and and there is a

2208
01:51:57,800 --> 01:51:55,440
Rendlesham connection in relation to the

2209
01:52:01,250 --> 01:51:57,810
binary code of course because Ronald

2210
01:52:05,209 --> 01:52:01,260
Mallett has said that the only practical

2211
01:52:09,620 --> 01:52:05,219
way to send a message back in time would

2212
01:52:13,580 --> 01:52:09,630
be to use binary code and and you

2213
01:52:16,580 --> 01:52:13,590
basically use spinning neutrinos which

2214
01:52:18,440 --> 01:52:16,590
which have a can have a spin value of up

2215
01:52:23,000 --> 01:52:18,450
or down and of course that gives you

2216
01:52:25,940 --> 01:52:23,010
binary no the physics of this go beyond

2217
01:52:30,200 --> 01:52:25,950
me oh yeah you know I know what I don't

2218
01:52:31,970 --> 01:52:30,210
know but all I can say is that if John

2219
01:52:34,459 --> 01:52:31,980
Burroughs and Jim Penniston and they are

2220
01:52:36,950 --> 01:52:34,469
both talking about time travel and this

2221
01:52:39,410 --> 01:52:36,960
is tying in with with what people like

2222
01:52:42,200 --> 01:52:39,420
Professor Ronald Mallett says I'm not

2223
01:52:44,650 --> 01:52:42,210
sure whether people like Jack Sarfati

2224
01:52:46,700 --> 01:52:44,660
who's another obviously colorful

2225
01:52:49,370 --> 01:52:46,710
character one of these sort of

2226
01:52:53,750 --> 01:52:49,380
theoretical physicists who's who's in

2227
01:52:58,009 --> 01:52:53,760
the mix here you know time travel is is

2228
01:53:00,379 --> 01:52:58,019
almost the you know the last step with

2229
01:53:04,819 --> 01:53:00,389
with all of this and it's a step I'm not

2230
01:53:07,580 --> 01:53:04,829
sure I dare take why is that Nick why if

2231
01:53:12,080 --> 01:53:07,590
the evidence is pushing you in that

2232
01:53:15,529 --> 01:53:12,090
direction why not go there well I don't

2233
01:53:17,270 --> 01:53:15,539
know that it is I mean as I say we there

2234
01:53:20,149 --> 01:53:17,280
are theoretical physicists who'll talk

2235
01:53:24,439 --> 01:53:20,159
about it but I don't have the conceptual

2236
01:53:27,109 --> 01:53:24,449
understanding of it to speak to it with

2237
01:53:30,979 --> 01:53:27,119
any great authority so all I can say

2238
01:53:32,839 --> 01:53:30,989
again is I know what I don't know you

2239
01:53:35,419 --> 01:53:32,849
know it's something to look into and I I

2240
01:53:37,189 --> 01:53:35,429
don't rule it out we we did discuss time

2241
01:53:39,979 --> 01:53:37,199
travel in the book when we were looking

2242
01:53:42,879 --> 01:53:39,989
at all the different theories but but

2243
01:53:50,060 --> 01:53:42,889
again I fall back on interesting if true

2244
01:53:52,790 --> 01:53:50,070
and the the discussion from John and I

2245
01:53:54,200 --> 01:53:52,800
want to say you're right there was there

2246
01:53:57,919 --> 01:53:54,210
was a little bit of a falling out

2247
01:54:00,439 --> 01:53:57,929
between those two and it was you know it

2248
01:54:02,359 --> 01:54:00,449
was very unfortunate for all of us you

2249
01:54:05,149 --> 01:54:02,369
know that's you know that hangs out with

2250
01:54:08,180 --> 01:54:05,159
these guys to have gone through but in

2251
01:54:11,209 --> 01:54:08,190
the end in 2020 to have John make these

2252
01:54:12,740 --> 01:54:11,219
statements John has always maintained

2253
01:54:14,750 --> 01:54:12,750
like you guys did at the end of the book

2254
01:54:17,740 --> 01:54:14,760
that you know what I don't know I was

2255
01:54:20,600 --> 01:54:17,750
there but I can't tell you definitively

2256
01:54:22,459 --> 01:54:20,610
anything I can just say that something

2257
01:54:25,069 --> 01:54:22,469
was there in the forest that night we

2258
01:54:27,109 --> 01:54:25,079
were all there it's documented it's

2259
01:54:29,750 --> 01:54:27,119
affected our health it's affected a lot

2260
01:54:33,049 --> 01:54:29,760
of other things something happened we

2261
01:54:34,910 --> 01:54:33,059
just don't know what and for John to to

2262
01:54:38,240 --> 01:54:34,920
go back to this time-travel thing it

2263
01:54:39,620 --> 01:54:38,250
seems that he is still trying to figure

2264
01:54:41,990 --> 01:54:39,630
out in his own mind

2265
01:54:46,310 --> 01:54:42,000
what actually happened in the forest

2266
01:54:49,910 --> 01:54:46,320
that night yes I mean look a few months

2267
01:54:53,089 --> 01:54:49,920
ago if you'd have talked to me about

2268
01:54:54,740 --> 01:54:53,099
time travel I I would have really you

2269
01:54:58,009 --> 01:54:54,750
know I would have said yeah sure we we

2270
01:55:01,660 --> 01:54:58,019
covered in the book but but I don't

2271
01:55:05,720 --> 01:55:01,670
really want to go there when you see the

2272
01:55:08,030 --> 01:55:05,730
Defense Intelligence Agency letter to

2273
01:55:12,740 --> 01:55:08,040
Congress on the a tip

2274
01:55:16,670 --> 01:55:12,750
when you see them quite clearly discuss

2275
01:55:19,750 --> 01:55:16,680
and and give the titles of scientific

2276
01:55:26,270 --> 01:55:19,760
and technical intelligence papers on

2277
01:55:30,290 --> 01:55:26,280
anti-gravity invisibility stargates warp

2278
01:55:32,180 --> 01:55:30,300
drive wormholes things like that and and

2279
01:55:34,010 --> 01:55:32,190
then you come back to me and say well

2280
01:55:37,600 --> 01:55:34,020
what about time travel then maybe I'll

2281
01:55:41,840 --> 01:55:37,610
say well you know wait why the heck not

2282
01:55:43,340 --> 01:55:41,850
yeah I agree with you and when we come

2283
01:55:47,930 --> 01:55:43,350
back we're gonna head towards the break

2284
01:55:50,510 --> 01:55:47,940
there was one line in the condign report

2285
01:55:52,160 --> 01:55:50,520
that I still go back to just one line

2286
01:55:53,960 --> 01:55:52,170
the whole report came all right all

2287
01:55:55,250 --> 01:55:53,970
right interesting reading but there's

2288
01:56:00,290 --> 01:55:55,260
one line in there Nick

2289
01:56:04,540 --> 01:56:00,300
where yeah again paraphrasing but these

2290
01:56:09,170 --> 01:56:04,550
type of effects are known with you ApS

2291
01:56:11,990 --> 01:56:09,180
and to make that statement and it's it's

2292
01:56:15,440 --> 01:56:12,000
a little bit more clear in the report

2293
01:56:18,140 --> 01:56:15,450
but what it does say is that the

2294
01:56:20,690 --> 01:56:18,150
Ministry of Defense has information on

2295
01:56:22,160 --> 01:56:20,700
you ApS they know about direct contact

2296
01:56:25,730 --> 01:56:22,170
they know about these effects with

2297
01:56:27,050 --> 01:56:25,740
everybody in the past and these effects

2298
01:56:30,140 --> 01:56:27,060
are consistent with their own

2299
01:56:35,450 --> 01:56:30,150
information isn't that an omission in of

2300
01:56:37,490 --> 01:56:35,460
itself of the et phenomenon yes I get

2301
01:56:39,710 --> 01:56:37,500
that and we can definitely get into

2302
01:56:42,290 --> 01:56:39,720
project condign in a little after the

2303
01:56:44,660 --> 01:56:42,300
break and I can hopefully put some flesh

2304
01:56:46,820 --> 01:56:44,670
on the bones yeah okay let's take our

2305
01:56:49,190 --> 01:56:46,830
break right here our guest tonight Nick

2306
01:56:50,720 --> 01:56:49,200
Pope we've got a great week here on fade

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01:56:53,450 --> 01:56:50,730
to black tonight Nick is with us

2308
01:56:56,900 --> 01:56:53,460
tomorrow night Greg house is going to be

2309
01:56:59,540 --> 01:56:56,910
joining us discussing the recent very

2310
01:57:02,450 --> 01:56:59,550
elaborate hack of an entertainment law

2311
01:57:05,060 --> 01:57:02,460
firm in New York City that went down and

2312
01:57:06,920 --> 01:57:05,070
is been in the news over the weekend we

2313
01:57:09,260 --> 01:57:06,930
will see what develops as the week

2314
01:57:11,480 --> 01:57:09,270
continues Wednesday night Robert Schoch

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01:57:13,940 --> 01:57:11,490
is going to be here it is our go Beckley

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01:57:16,270 --> 01:57:13,950
tepi special event and then thursday

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01:57:18,160 --> 01:57:16,280
night Linda Moulton Howe

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01:57:21,310 --> 01:57:18,170
we're gonna go over all of her recent

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research into Kawana virus and Kol vid

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I am your host Amy Church I guess

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tonight Nick Pope talking about all

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things UFO u8p tonight and really quick

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and Nick I'm not cool with you ap just

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not cool with it really yeah it's UFO is

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such is such a clearly defined situation

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right unidentified object okay that

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that's great but it definitely suggests

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all of the above not of this earth right

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and and though and I mean for me in a

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conversation you having a conversation

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with somebody in the street and you say

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UFO they're not gonna go oh you mean

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some object in the sky that nobody can

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explain it could be from here could no

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that's not no no that's 100% they're

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gonna think you're talking about aliens

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and that's that inside of our circles is

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another matter all-together but the rest

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of the world clearly knows what UFO is

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intended to mean yes look here's the

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story with you AP we didn't invent it

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but in the early 90s in the ministry

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defense actually pretty much as we were

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planning the work that evolved into what

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became known as project condign we

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decided that we needed to rebrand the

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UFO phenomenon to to kind of get rid of

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the pop-culture baggage that the term

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had not with the public in the media in

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i don't mean to sound dismissive here

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but we didn't really worry about that

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what we meant was internally and and so

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we we swapped the phrase UFO for you AP

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internally and after I'd left the mo D

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and we did this we did this in the early

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90s

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in I think it was June of 2011 I was at

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a briefing a closed briefing in

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Washington DC and I can't tell you who

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02:03:55,189 --> 02:03:52,560
was there or you know but literally I

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mean there was a former CIA director sad

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02:04:00,020 --> 02:03:57,330
sat in the back row taking notes and it

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02:04:03,470 --> 02:04:00,030
was that kind of briefing and that was

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the genesis of how the phrase UAP

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entered the US government and and of

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02:04:13,250 --> 02:04:10,860
course as you know last year in one of

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02:04:13,760 --> 02:04:13,260
the official Navy statements about all

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02:04:18,620 --> 02:04:13,770
this

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a term we borrowed from the British

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02:04:22,910 --> 02:04:21,090
government and we did it for a reason I

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02:04:25,250 --> 02:04:22,920
mean what it was never meant for the

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02:04:28,160 --> 02:04:25,260
public in the media but it was meant it

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was meant for an internal audience just

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to reframe the debate and so I stand by

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it

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in the States

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what was that about was it about UFOs

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specifically yes it was it was about how

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to take this forward and and you know I

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can't go into the details of it but a

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number of key people from from I guess

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the political world military the

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02:05:07,640 --> 02:05:04,170
intelligence community were there and I

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simply I simply gave a very very sort of

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02:05:13,060 --> 02:05:10,320
straightforward factual briefing about

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02:05:17,860 --> 02:05:13,070
the British government's UFO program and

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one of the points that that clearly did

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02:05:26,840 --> 02:05:23,550
get get some attention was our dropping

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the phrase UFO replacing it with you AP

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as I say deliberately to to reframe the

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02:05:35,360 --> 02:05:32,310
debate to make it sound less like a

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sci-fi issue and more like a science

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problem and the defense and national

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02:05:42,890 --> 02:05:39,600
security issue here very interesting

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were they asking questions or was this

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just a presentation oh both I mean I

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02:05:50,280 --> 02:05:49,260
gave a presentation then there was a Q&A

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and

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board look I I don't want to get into

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the politics of this because because

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I've you know I've heard people try and

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02:06:06,630 --> 02:06:04,060
frame this as a sort of Republican

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02:06:08,730 --> 02:06:06,640
versus Democrat issue and it isn't

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02:06:11,910 --> 02:06:08,740
I mean I've most of my recent media

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02:06:15,420 --> 02:06:11,920
interviews have have been I guess with

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with you know Tucker Carlson and Fox and

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02:06:21,630 --> 02:06:18,730
Friends but but before that I did CNN

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02:06:24,570 --> 02:06:21,640
and and when Larry King was involved in

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02:06:26,370 --> 02:06:24,580
this it's it's not a political issue but

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there's no getting away from the fact

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that I guess a couple of years after I

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gave that briefing and and she was not

2497
02:06:39,270 --> 02:06:36,460
at this briefing but but obviously

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Hillary Clinton did did that appearance

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02:06:46,500 --> 02:06:42,750
on Jimmy Kimmel where Jimmy Kimmel said

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02:06:49,140 --> 02:06:46,510
about UFOs and Hillary Clinton stopped

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02:06:52,650 --> 02:06:49,150
him and interrupted and said no it's not

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02:06:54,870 --> 02:06:52,660
UFOs there's a new phrase it's UAP and I

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02:07:00,480 --> 02:06:54,880
was watching that and I thought oh I did

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02:07:06,630 --> 02:07:00,490
that and the the interest okay so when

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02:07:10,710 --> 02:07:06,640
we when we hear so much about especially

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02:07:13,620 --> 02:07:10,720
sensitive sent in December 17 2017

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02:07:16,470 --> 02:07:13,630
that prior to that there was a general

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02:07:18,810 --> 02:07:16,480
denial with the Pentagon and anything

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02:07:21,720 --> 02:07:18,820
official when it came to the UFO subject

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02:07:25,140 --> 02:07:21,730
it was it ended with Project Blue Book

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02:07:26,940 --> 02:07:25,150
there's nothing to see here clearly that

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02:07:30,960 --> 02:07:26,950
is not the case but what you're

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02:07:34,770 --> 02:07:30,970
indicating here is that in between Blue

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02:07:37,710 --> 02:07:34,780
Book and December 27 2020 you were

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02:07:40,730 --> 02:07:37,720
taking part in closed-door meetings

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02:07:43,980 --> 02:07:40,740
between governments on this subject

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02:07:47,300 --> 02:07:43,990
there's not really a gray area here with

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02:07:51,390 --> 02:07:47,310
what you're saying Nick no that's that's

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that's a fair characterization what I

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02:08:01,759 --> 02:07:54,070
will say is this I have never been

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02:08:05,089 --> 02:08:01,769
involved in the a tip program if you

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02:08:09,169 --> 02:08:05,099
some of the documentation that we have

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02:08:13,189 --> 02:08:09,179
about a tip and I'm talking about Harry

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02:08:18,950 --> 02:08:13,199
Reid's 2009 letter to the deputy

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02:08:22,250 --> 02:08:18,960
secretary of defense for example you can

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02:08:24,560 --> 02:08:22,260
spot the British influence and I I'm not

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02:08:27,169 --> 02:08:24,570
claiming any personal credit for this

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02:08:30,589 --> 02:08:27,179
but what I am saying is that if you look

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02:08:33,890 --> 02:08:30,599
at project condign which we did in in

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02:08:38,270 --> 02:08:33,900
you know we set it up in the 90s it it

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02:08:40,310 --> 02:08:38,280
reported in 2000 clearly you can tell

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02:08:43,759 --> 02:08:40,320
this because some of the words some of

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02:08:45,680 --> 02:08:43,769
the text is literally word-for-word when

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02:08:52,160 --> 02:08:45,690
you talk about novel military

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02:08:56,330 --> 02:08:52,170
applications signature reduction RFI

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02:08:59,719 --> 02:08:56,340
weapons directed-energy weapons etc some

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02:09:02,959 --> 02:08:59,729
of the words in Harry Reid's letter on a

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02:09:06,770 --> 02:09:02,969
tip for example almost word-for-word

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02:09:09,439 --> 02:09:06,780
came out a project condign and and then

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02:09:11,810 --> 02:09:09,449
as I mentioned there's the the US Navy

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02:09:14,299 --> 02:09:11,820
saying we borrowed this from the British

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02:09:16,040 --> 02:09:14,309
government this term and and then

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02:09:19,790 --> 02:09:16,050
there's the fact that Hillary Clinton

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02:09:24,350 --> 02:09:19,800
said UAP there's there's a new term for

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02:09:30,560 --> 02:09:24,360
this the genesis of a lot of what's

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02:09:32,089 --> 02:09:30,570
going on now you can find in in the UK

2547
02:09:35,060 --> 02:09:32,099
Ministry of Defence in what we were

2548
02:09:37,549 --> 02:09:35,070
doing in the 90s in project condign and

2549
02:09:39,379 --> 02:09:37,559
none of this is in dispute it's all out

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02:09:42,500 --> 02:09:39,389
there it's all declassified and released

2551
02:09:45,830 --> 02:09:42,510
people can do a comparative analysis and

2552
02:09:50,120 --> 02:09:45,840
people can spot exactly the same phrases

2553
02:09:53,330 --> 02:09:50,130
it's not a secret no and and going back

2554
02:09:55,339 --> 02:09:53,340
to that one sentence that you and I

2555
02:09:58,729 --> 02:09:55,349
talked about earlier about the effects

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02:10:02,330 --> 02:09:58,739
of you ApS that are known right known

2557
02:10:06,350 --> 02:10:02,340
effects of you ApS is is a pretty

2558
02:10:10,489 --> 02:10:06,360
dramatic statement is is condign and the

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02:10:15,280 --> 02:10:10,499
release of that report as official as it

2560
02:10:19,960 --> 02:10:15,290
can be that ET extraterrestrial into

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02:10:21,820 --> 02:10:19,970
religions from interstellar space is

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02:10:26,200 --> 02:10:21,830
visiting our planet

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02:10:29,050 --> 02:10:26,210
isn't that what condign is saying no it

2564
02:10:31,330 --> 02:10:29,060
doesn't quite go that far but you're

2565
02:10:33,130 --> 02:10:31,340
right the I mean it absolutely goes

2566
02:10:36,580 --> 02:10:33,140
beyond aircraft lights and weather

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02:10:42,840 --> 02:10:36,590
balloons and I think that the the part

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02:10:44,070 --> 02:10:42,850
of it that you're referring to is is in

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02:10:49,030 --> 02:10:44,080
annex

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02:10:52,150 --> 02:10:49,040
what is it gosh volume to an XF working

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02:10:55,270 --> 02:10:52,160
paper one and I don't have it in front

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02:10:58,620 --> 02:10:55,280
of me but there is a there is a section

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02:11:02,370 --> 02:10:58,630
that is entitled non ionizing

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02:11:06,040 --> 02:11:02,380
electromagnetic effects on humans and

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02:11:09,220 --> 02:11:06,050
e/m field from a plasma and it goes on

2576
02:11:11,830 --> 02:11:09,230
to say the well reported Rendlesham

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02:11:13,690 --> 02:11:11,840
forest event is an example where it

2578
02:11:17,140 --> 02:11:13,700
might be postulated that several

2579
02:11:21,850 --> 02:11:17,150
observers were probably exposed to you

2580
02:11:24,160 --> 02:11:21,860
AP radiation that's right and it's it's

2581
02:11:27,370 --> 02:11:24,170
there in black and white this isn't this

2582
02:11:29,340 --> 02:11:27,380
isn't me saying this on your show this

2583
02:11:32,830 --> 02:11:29,350
is me saying this on your show and

2584
02:11:34,480 --> 02:11:32,840
saying to every single listener go check

2585
02:11:35,770 --> 02:11:34,490
it out and read it for yourself

2586
02:11:38,140 --> 02:11:35,780
I mean the British government has

2587
02:11:41,950 --> 02:11:38,150
Declassified and released this this

2588
02:11:44,350 --> 02:11:41,960
document and and and how do we how do we

2589
02:11:47,680 --> 02:11:44,360
as a community Nick when we look at

2590
02:11:50,500 --> 02:11:47,690
condign and Rendlesham and start to look

2591
02:11:54,160 --> 02:11:50,510
at the drip drip drip over the last

2592
02:11:56,290 --> 02:11:54,170
couple of years how do we how do we you

2593
02:11:59,320 --> 02:11:56,300
know start to come to terms with all of

2594
02:12:01,870 --> 02:11:59,330
this I mean it the the question is a

2595
02:12:04,780 --> 02:12:01,880
simple one you know either we are alone

2596
02:12:07,330 --> 02:12:04,790
or we are not and you can take it one

2597
02:12:10,480 --> 02:12:07,340
step further that our governments know

2598
02:12:12,970 --> 02:12:10,490
the answer to this and it seems like

2599
02:12:14,530 --> 02:12:12,980
they're trying to tell us something what

2600
02:12:18,490 --> 02:12:14,540
do we do as a community with this

2601
02:12:21,580 --> 02:12:18,500
information well it's an interesting

2602
02:12:23,830 --> 02:12:21,590
question I I wouldn't be so arrogant as

2603
02:12:28,060 --> 02:12:23,840
to tell anyone what to do or what to say

2604
02:12:32,229 --> 02:12:28,070
or to think or I can say is that these

2605
02:12:34,689 --> 02:12:32,239
documents whether it's project condign

2606
02:12:38,200 --> 02:12:34,699
final report whether it's some of the a

2607
02:12:41,050 --> 02:12:38,210
tip paperwork we have those documents

2608
02:12:43,750 --> 02:12:41,060
are out there and I think people can can

2609
02:12:47,709 --> 02:12:43,760
read them for themselves and and people

2610
02:12:51,280 --> 02:12:47,719
can you know derive their own takeaway

2611
02:12:52,149 --> 02:12:51,290
is out of all this and if some people

2612
02:12:53,859 --> 02:12:52,159
are skeptical

2613
02:12:56,050 --> 02:12:53,869
some people are believers some are in

2614
02:12:58,959 --> 02:12:56,060
the middle that's fine it it is what it

2615
02:13:00,850 --> 02:12:58,969
is a lot of this is it's typical

2616
02:13:04,209 --> 02:13:00,860
government I guess a lot of it's written

2617
02:13:06,729 --> 02:13:04,219
in fairly ambiguous terms and you can

2618
02:13:09,160 --> 02:13:06,739
take different things away from it you

2619
02:13:11,080 --> 02:13:09,170
can read project condign and you can

2620
02:13:14,290 --> 02:13:11,090
come away thinking it's all weird

2621
02:13:16,270 --> 02:13:14,300
atmospheric plasma phenomena or you can

2622
02:13:19,780 --> 02:13:16,280
come away thinking they're trying to

2623
02:13:23,560 --> 02:13:19,790
tell us something right right and and in

2624
02:13:28,839 --> 02:13:23,570
reading between the lines going back to

2625
02:13:31,330 --> 02:13:28,849
Susan Gao statements from April 27th of

2626
02:13:35,020 --> 02:13:31,340
2020 with the official release of these

2627
02:13:37,750 --> 02:13:35,030
three videos it's what they didn't say

2628
02:13:40,660 --> 02:13:37,760
in that press release which i think is

2629
02:13:43,359 --> 02:13:40,670
more telling than what they did say what

2630
02:13:46,300 --> 02:13:43,369
they didn't say is that were alone in

2631
02:13:49,169 --> 02:13:46,310
the universe what they didn't say is

2632
02:13:52,270 --> 02:13:49,179
were not alone in the universe

2633
02:13:55,180 --> 02:13:52,280
neither there isn't a reference to

2634
02:13:56,800 --> 02:13:55,190
neither of those statements there and I

2635
02:13:59,919 --> 02:13:56,810
think that is the one thing that we need

2636
02:14:02,770 --> 02:13:59,929
to walk away from understanding that the

2637
02:14:05,439 --> 02:14:02,780
government isn't saying anything even if

2638
02:14:07,510 --> 02:14:05,449
they could they are not well I think I

2639
02:14:10,720 --> 02:14:07,520
can give you a more definitive smoking

2640
02:14:15,370 --> 02:14:10,730
gun than that even if you look at the

2641
02:14:17,620 --> 02:14:15,380
January what was it January 9th 2018

2642
02:14:23,290 --> 02:14:17,630
letter that the Defense Intelligence

2643
02:14:25,180 --> 02:14:23,300
Agency sent to Congress you know two to

2644
02:14:28,089 --> 02:14:25,190
three weeks after the New York Times

2645
02:14:32,229 --> 02:14:28,099
broke the story of a tip and and the US

2646
02:14:39,520 --> 02:14:32,239
Navy encounters in the videos dia s

2647
02:14:41,879 --> 02:14:39,530
letter said to Congress to to John

2648
02:14:46,330 --> 02:14:41,889
McCain and Jack Reed

2649
02:14:48,609 --> 02:14:46,340
your staffs on the various congressional

2650
02:14:51,250 --> 02:14:48,619
committees have have been asking about

2651
02:14:54,069 --> 02:14:51,260
this this is what we did under the a tip

2652
02:14:57,459 --> 02:14:54,079
program and then they attached and they

2653
02:15:00,100 --> 02:14:57,469
said in the cover note they said this

2654
02:15:03,580 --> 02:15:00,110
this was a program to investigate far

2655
02:15:06,189 --> 02:15:03,590
term aerospace threats to the United

2656
02:15:08,350 --> 02:15:06,199
States and you would think well that's

2657
02:15:12,399 --> 02:15:08,360
that's a good thing you know it sounds

2658
02:15:15,009 --> 02:15:12,409
like dia being on the ball and what the

2659
02:15:18,429 --> 02:15:15,019
heck are Russia and China up to right mm

2660
02:15:22,060 --> 02:15:18,439
hmm sounds good when you looked at the

2661
02:15:25,839 --> 02:15:22,070
list of 38 studies that they produced

2662
02:15:28,509 --> 02:15:25,849
under this contract guess how many of

2663
02:15:33,279 --> 02:15:28,519
those studies relate to Chinese and

2664
02:15:36,659 --> 02:15:33,289
Russian aircraft zero right none of them

2665
02:15:40,330 --> 02:15:36,669
it's all about anti-gravity and

2666
02:15:44,109 --> 02:15:40,340
stargates and wormholes and warp drive

2667
02:15:47,169 --> 02:15:44,119
but look here's the smoking gun one of

2668
02:15:50,020 --> 02:15:47,179
those papers was about the Drake

2669
02:15:54,580 --> 02:15:50,030
Equation and as you know the Drake

2670
02:15:56,560 --> 02:15:54,590
Equation it has only one purpose the

2671
02:15:58,560 --> 02:15:56,570
purpose of the Drake Equation is to

2672
02:16:01,469 --> 02:15:58,570
estimate the number of communicable

2673
02:16:03,790 --> 02:16:01,479
civilizations in our Milky Way galaxy

2674
02:16:05,830 --> 02:16:03,800
you know you can call it a thought

2675
02:16:08,290 --> 02:16:05,840
experiment you can call it an equation

2676
02:16:10,270 --> 02:16:08,300
but that's the only thing it does it's

2677
02:16:11,890 --> 02:16:10,280
nothing to do with Russia nothing to do

2678
02:16:14,770 --> 02:16:11,900
with China nothing to do with Iran

2679
02:16:16,899 --> 02:16:14,780
nothing to do with North Korea you know

2680
02:16:19,169 --> 02:16:16,909
nothing to do with aircraft missiles or

2681
02:16:21,969 --> 02:16:19,179
drones it's just to do with

2682
02:16:24,580 --> 02:16:21,979
extraterrestrial civilizations and there

2683
02:16:28,359 --> 02:16:24,590
it is in the DI a letter to Congress

2684
02:16:30,879 --> 02:16:28,369
about the a tip program and so okay so

2685
02:16:34,089 --> 02:16:30,889
what does that tell you though because

2686
02:16:40,299 --> 02:16:34,099
when I when I read the original and I

2687
02:16:44,830 --> 02:16:40,309
got it way before December 17th 2017 I

2688
02:16:47,169 --> 02:16:44,840
got a copy of the the 38 reports and I

2689
02:16:50,259 --> 02:16:47,179
read through it and I immediately called

2690
02:16:52,270 --> 02:16:50,269
Richard Dolan and I was reading through

2691
02:16:56,080 --> 02:16:52,280
this and I sent it to Richard

2692
02:16:57,280 --> 02:16:56,090
and then we got back to each other you

2693
02:16:58,930 --> 02:16:57,290
know what do you think and I said well

2694
02:17:01,210 --> 02:16:58,940
you know what I'm just reading science

2695
02:17:04,540 --> 02:17:01,220
fiction I'm reading a bunch of

2696
02:17:07,000 --> 02:17:04,550
physicists and scientists theoretically

2697
02:17:09,730 --> 02:17:07,010
projecting 20 years into the future

2698
02:17:12,310 --> 02:17:09,740
about technology that we could be

2699
02:17:14,740 --> 02:17:12,320
dealing with here on earth what I didn't

2700
02:17:17,290 --> 02:17:14,750
see in that and you know a tip and

2701
02:17:19,990 --> 02:17:17,300
everything else that was a few months

2702
02:17:22,060 --> 02:17:20,000
ahead we hadn't experienced that yet

2703
02:17:24,460 --> 02:17:22,070
Leslie Kane hadn't written her article

2704
02:17:26,140 --> 02:17:24,470
and so forth but when I was reading

2705
02:17:28,900 --> 02:17:26,150
through that I said there's nothing here

2706
02:17:31,660 --> 02:17:28,910
that says UFOs there's nothing in this

2707
02:17:35,440 --> 02:17:31,670
entire document that says anything about

2708
02:17:37,350 --> 02:17:35,450
ET this is nothing but science fiction

2709
02:17:40,270 --> 02:17:37,360
talking about like you said Nick

2710
02:17:42,550 --> 02:17:40,280
wormholes and warp drives and stargates

2711
02:17:44,680 --> 02:17:42,560
great reading it's great science fiction

2712
02:17:46,780 --> 02:17:44,690
it's awesome too projection into the

2713
02:17:49,810 --> 02:17:46,790
future about possibilities and

2714
02:17:53,920 --> 02:17:49,820
probabilities but it has nothing to do

2715
02:17:56,350 --> 02:17:53,930
with ETS or UFOs and so going back to

2716
02:17:59,290 --> 02:17:56,360
Congress and and these letters that were

2717
02:18:04,470 --> 02:17:59,300
going back and forth I still I feel

2718
02:18:06,730 --> 02:18:04,480
aerospace there but I don't see et well

2719
02:18:09,460 --> 02:18:06,740
that's where I come back to the point

2720
02:18:12,340 --> 02:18:09,470
about the Drake Equation you could argue

2721
02:18:15,520 --> 02:18:12,350
with just about all of the other papers

2722
02:18:19,110 --> 02:18:15,530
mm-hmm right all 38 of them if you look

2723
02:18:22,570 --> 02:18:19,120
down the list you can say well you know

2724
02:18:26,080 --> 02:18:22,580
warp drive maybe and and I think the

2725
02:18:30,640 --> 02:18:26,090
figure was 40 years by the way but it's

2726
02:18:32,440 --> 02:18:30,650
a look right maybe in 40 years time this

2727
02:18:34,740 --> 02:18:32,450
will be the sort of thing that Russia

2728
02:18:36,730 --> 02:18:34,750
and China is looking at and you know

2729
02:18:37,060 --> 02:18:36,740
therefore we need to be looking at it

2730
02:18:41,560 --> 02:18:37,070
too

2731
02:18:43,150 --> 02:18:41,570
fair enough but the I come back to the

2732
02:18:45,130 --> 02:18:43,160
Drake Equation and the reason I come

2733
02:18:48,100 --> 02:18:45,140
back to it is there's no middle ground

2734
02:18:50,980 --> 02:18:48,110
with the Drake Equation you can study

2735
02:18:53,890 --> 02:18:50,990
wormholes you can study warp drive you

2736
02:18:56,080 --> 02:18:53,900
can study anti-gravity you can study

2737
02:18:58,900 --> 02:18:56,090
invisibility and you could argue yeah

2738
02:19:02,110 --> 02:18:58,910
this is nothing to do with ET this could

2739
02:19:04,570 --> 02:19:02,120
be answering the question what might

2740
02:19:05,589 --> 02:19:04,580
Russia and China have in 40 years time

2741
02:19:07,660 --> 02:19:05,599
but

2742
02:19:10,179 --> 02:19:07,670
you cannot learn at the Drake Equation

2743
02:19:13,660 --> 02:19:10,189
and say that that's about Russia and

2744
02:19:16,599 --> 02:19:13,670
China it is only about extraterrestrial

2745
02:19:18,849 --> 02:19:16,609
civilizations yeah so you had the answer

2746
02:19:21,879 --> 02:19:18,859
everyone had the answer who had this

2747
02:19:25,200 --> 02:19:21,889
list of 38 studies they had the answer

2748
02:19:27,790 --> 02:19:25,210
but they didn't ask the right question

2749
02:19:29,500 --> 02:19:27,800
well that I'm gonna go back and take

2750
02:19:33,459 --> 02:19:29,510
another look that's a very interesting

2751
02:19:37,359 --> 02:19:33,469
take on it the and and by the way I

2752
02:19:41,500 --> 02:19:37,369
should say the current position and you

2753
02:19:44,049 --> 02:19:41,510
mentioned Susan Gao the current position

2754
02:19:48,490 --> 02:19:44,059
of the Department of Defense is that

2755
02:19:52,510 --> 02:19:48,500
neither a tip nor sir the a tip contract

2756
02:19:58,090 --> 02:19:52,520
were you AP related they flip-flopped on

2757
02:20:01,179 --> 02:19:58,100
that I put to them I said if this is

2758
02:20:03,820 --> 02:20:01,189
true why were you studying the Drake

2759
02:20:07,179 --> 02:20:03,830
Equation what what's that got to do with

2760
02:20:09,250 --> 02:20:07,189
Russia and China and they said we'll get

2761
02:20:12,820 --> 02:20:09,260
back to you on that and that was like

2762
02:20:17,200 --> 02:20:12,830
about 3-4 months ago so Lu the Pentagon

2763
02:20:20,349 --> 02:20:17,210
is currently redrafting their position

2764
02:20:22,899 --> 02:20:20,359
statement on a tip to address my

2765
02:20:24,670 --> 02:20:22,909
question of why they would be looking at

2766
02:20:26,649 --> 02:20:24,680
the Drake Equation if this was really

2767
02:20:30,280 --> 02:20:26,659
just about next-generation

2768
02:20:32,559 --> 02:20:30,290
aviation threats so that statement it

2769
02:20:34,420 --> 02:20:32,569
may come tomorrow it may be next week it

2770
02:20:36,370 --> 02:20:34,430
may be a couple of weeks but it will

2771
02:20:38,380 --> 02:20:36,380
come it will have to come and that might

2772
02:20:41,500 --> 02:20:38,390
tell us some more and there was another

2773
02:20:43,179 --> 02:20:41,510
staying on Susan Gao for a second and I

2774
02:20:46,300 --> 02:20:43,189
can't believe we didn't get to Brazil

2775
02:20:48,130 --> 02:20:46,310
since you're in for coronavirus can I

2776
02:20:50,559 --> 02:20:48,140
get you to stay over for a little over

2777
02:20:54,130 --> 02:20:50,569
time I want to discuss what's going down

2778
02:20:56,830 --> 02:20:54,140
in Brazil yeah I have to say I don't

2779
02:20:58,540 --> 02:20:56,840
know my I'm following the story but I

2780
02:21:01,420 --> 02:20:58,550
have not yet looked into it personally

2781
02:21:03,490 --> 02:21:01,430
so I'm not sure I can add much to the

2782
02:21:06,700 --> 02:21:03,500
Brazil's yeah not a problem not a

2783
02:21:09,519 --> 02:21:06,710
problem your insight any or whatever it

2784
02:21:15,010 --> 02:21:09,529
may be it will be interesting but back

2785
02:21:18,400 --> 02:21:15,020
to Susan gown there is a line in her

2786
02:21:21,679 --> 02:21:18,410
statement that I think is the most

2787
02:21:22,969 --> 02:21:21,689
which is and again I'm paraphrasing I

2788
02:21:25,790 --> 02:21:22,979
don't have it in front of me I should

2789
02:21:30,110 --> 02:21:25,800
pull it up but she says that there is

2790
02:21:35,150 --> 02:21:30,120
nothing in these three videos revealing

2791
02:21:38,420 --> 02:21:35,160
any sensitive technologies now that's a

2792
02:21:42,860 --> 02:21:38,430
that's a pretty interesting statement

2793
02:21:47,120 --> 02:21:42,870
isn't it I mean if it was ETS or if it

2794
02:21:49,870 --> 02:21:47,130
was Russian or or or technology of ours

2795
02:21:52,940 --> 02:21:49,880
that we didn't want anybody else to see

2796
02:21:54,650 --> 02:21:52,950
then why put that statement in there

2797
02:21:56,420 --> 02:21:54,660
there's nothing in these videos that is

2798
02:22:00,110 --> 02:21:56,430
revealing anything sensitive or

2799
02:22:01,820 --> 02:22:00,120
secretive or technologies why put that

2800
02:22:05,270 --> 02:22:01,830
in the statement if it didn't need to be

2801
02:22:08,900 --> 02:22:05,280
there well that's part of standard

2802
02:22:12,800 --> 02:22:08,910
government policy to downplay the whole

2803
02:22:17,870 --> 02:22:12,810
UFO phenomenon and make it sound as as

2804
02:22:20,570 --> 02:22:17,880
unexcited and and as low classification

2805
02:22:23,389 --> 02:22:20,580
as possible and it's a truthful

2806
02:22:27,830 --> 02:22:23,399
statement there's nothing those videos

2807
02:22:31,700 --> 02:22:27,840
are unclassified what she didn't say was

2808
02:22:36,260 --> 02:22:31,710
that videos associated or of them a

2809
02:22:39,820 --> 02:22:36,270
video associated with this but not one

2810
02:22:44,360 --> 02:22:39,830
of these three videos is secret and

2811
02:22:46,790 --> 02:22:44,370
various briefing slides associated with

2812
02:22:49,730 --> 02:22:46,800
these three videos are classified

2813
02:22:52,969 --> 02:22:49,740
top-secret and the definition as you

2814
02:22:55,389 --> 02:22:52,979
know of top secret is information the

2815
02:22:58,130 --> 02:22:55,399
disclosure of which would cause

2816
02:23:00,550 --> 02:22:58,140
exceptionally grave damage to the

2817
02:23:04,340 --> 02:23:00,560
national security of the United States I

2818
02:23:16,420 --> 02:23:04,350
think I have the statement here okay let

2819
02:23:16,430 --> 02:23:23,580
okay well that was in its

2820
02:23:29,170 --> 02:23:26,679
tu-tu-tu-tu-tu-tu okay stay with me Nick

2821
02:23:33,160 --> 02:23:29,180
you know I have my show notes from that

2822
02:23:35,530 --> 02:23:33,170
night I probably okay

2823
02:23:37,360 --> 02:23:35,540
she says this after a thorough review

2824
02:23:39,519 --> 02:23:37,370
the department has determined that the

2825
02:23:42,700 --> 02:23:39,529
authorized release of these unclassified

2826
02:23:45,580 --> 02:23:42,710
videos does not reveal any sensitive

2827
02:23:48,550 --> 02:23:45,590
capabilities or systems and does not

2828
02:23:50,559 --> 02:23:48,560
impinge on any subsequent investigations

2829
02:23:53,580 --> 02:23:50,569
of military airspace and current

2830
02:23:58,929 --> 02:23:53,590
incursions by unidentified aerial

2831
02:24:02,080 --> 02:23:58,939
phenomenon that's true yeah that's true

2832
02:24:05,910 --> 02:24:02,090
but the real question is well that's

2833
02:24:09,519 --> 02:24:05,920
fine but what does the secret video and

2834
02:24:12,099 --> 02:24:09,529
the top-secret briefing slide

2835
02:24:15,550 --> 02:24:12,109
relating to this what did they reveal

2836
02:24:17,740 --> 02:24:15,560
yes well and why make the statement that

2837
02:24:20,880 --> 02:24:17,750
it does not reveal any sensitive

2838
02:24:25,599 --> 02:24:20,890
capabilities or since systems certainly

2839
02:24:28,950 --> 02:24:25,609
an ET situation would have highly

2840
02:24:33,219 --> 02:24:28,960
sensitive capabilities and technology

2841
02:24:35,280 --> 02:24:33,229
you would think absolutely yeah it's a

2842
02:24:38,620 --> 02:24:35,290
very it's a very interesting statement

2843
02:24:42,309 --> 02:24:38,630
and the other part about this that I

2844
02:24:44,380 --> 02:24:42,319
thought was something that should have

2845
02:24:47,950 --> 02:24:44,390
been talked about more is that John

2846
02:24:51,130 --> 02:24:47,960
Greenwald was pushing for this FOIA

2847
02:24:55,540 --> 02:24:51,140
release and statement on these three

2848
02:24:58,990 --> 02:24:55,550
videos and he got the FOIA release the

2849
02:25:01,750 --> 02:24:59,000
same day as the statement from Susan Gao

2850
02:25:03,910 --> 02:25:01,760
and the official release of the videos

2851
02:25:06,820 --> 02:25:03,920
that the two of them happened at the

2852
02:25:09,130 --> 02:25:06,830
same day do you think that this official

2853
02:25:12,070 --> 02:25:09,140
release would have happened if John

2854
02:25:16,420 --> 02:25:12,080
Greenwald was not pushing for a FOIA

2855
02:25:19,420 --> 02:25:16,430
release on these I don't know about that

2856
02:25:21,330 --> 02:25:19,430
I mean I think sometimes you know you

2857
02:25:24,000 --> 02:25:21,340
could say that the Department of Defense

2858
02:25:27,790 --> 02:25:24,010
might like to put something out

2859
02:25:31,210 --> 02:25:27,800
themselves to maybe I don't know

2860
02:25:35,450 --> 02:25:31,220
overshadow some of the work being done

2861
02:25:39,291 --> 02:25:35,460
by by people in the UFO

2862
02:25:43,220 --> 02:25:39,301
whether it's it's john greenwald tim

2863
02:25:45,081 --> 02:25:43,230
macmillan whoever it might be you know

2864
02:25:46,640 --> 02:25:45,091
it's it's part of well if they think

2865
02:25:48,890 --> 02:25:46,650
they've got a story here's a bigger one

2866
02:25:51,770 --> 02:25:48,900
and of course the DoD will always be

2867
02:25:54,770 --> 02:25:51,780
able to to get their quotes into the

2868
02:25:56,410 --> 02:25:54,780
mainstream media yeah so you think

2869
02:26:00,501 --> 02:25:56,420
that's why they happened on the same day

2870
02:26:01,761 --> 02:26:00,511
could be very interesting and Nick real

2871
02:26:04,761 --> 02:26:01,771
quick before the break and we'll come

2872
02:26:08,570 --> 02:26:04,771
back and discuss Brazil briefly is this

2873
02:26:12,650 --> 02:26:08,580
is there a UFO researcher out there that

2874
02:26:14,810 --> 02:26:12,660
for you today is somebody that not only

2875
02:26:16,970 --> 02:26:14,820
that you respect for their information

2876
02:26:18,440 --> 02:26:16,980
but do you ever pick up the phone and

2877
02:26:22,461 --> 02:26:18,450
call somebody and go man I've got a

2878
02:26:25,461 --> 02:26:22,471
question you know what do you know well

2879
02:26:28,850 --> 02:26:25,471
I can't say as I pick up the phone to

2880
02:26:31,070 --> 02:26:28,860
people but I suppose if if it was going

2881
02:26:33,291 --> 02:26:31,080
to be anyone and this is not a UFO

2882
02:26:36,081 --> 02:26:33,301
researcher but if I was going to pick up

2883
02:26:38,810 --> 02:26:36,091
the phone to anyone I guess I would pick

2884
02:26:40,910 --> 02:26:38,820
up the phone to Lou and talk to him on a

2885
02:26:44,301 --> 02:26:40,920
sort of you know government government

2886
02:26:46,761 --> 02:26:44,311
basis and say there are fundamental

2887
02:26:51,291 --> 02:26:46,771
differences between the programs that

2888
02:26:53,180 --> 02:26:51,301
that we ran but I think we understand we

2889
02:26:56,360 --> 02:26:53,190
speak the same language we're immersed

2890
02:26:59,121 --> 02:26:56,370
in the same culture so I would probably

2891
02:27:01,940 --> 02:26:59,131
pick up the phone to Lou Lou Elizondo

2892
02:27:04,160 --> 02:27:01,950
interesting answer there you go Nick

2893
02:27:06,621 --> 02:27:04,170
Pope stay right there let's take our

2894
02:27:09,740 --> 02:27:06,631
break and when we come back everybody

2895
02:27:12,801 --> 02:27:09,750
Nick everybody the Internet has gone

2896
02:27:14,631 --> 02:27:12,811
crazy with what is going on down there

2897
02:27:16,430 --> 02:27:14,641
in Brazil I have looked at the videos

2898
02:27:19,310 --> 02:27:16,440
I've had some video sent to me

2899
02:27:22,490 --> 02:27:19,320
personally and reviewing these and

2900
02:27:24,950 --> 02:27:22,500
looking at how it's being censored on

2901
02:27:26,751 --> 02:27:24,960
the Internet and what may or may not be

2902
02:27:29,121 --> 02:27:26,761
going on down there in maize which is

2903
02:27:30,770 --> 02:27:29,131
just north of Rio de Janeiro is

2904
02:27:32,480 --> 02:27:30,780
something that we all need to take a

2905
02:27:34,910 --> 02:27:32,490
look at something happened down there in

2906
02:27:36,980 --> 02:27:34,920
maize I guess tonight Nick Pope will

2907
02:27:37,940 --> 02:27:36,990
talk about a Brazil when we come back

2908
02:27:39,280 --> 02:27:37,950
after this short break

2909
02:27:53,479 --> 02:27:39,290
stay with us

2910
02:27:56,670 --> 02:27:53,489
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2911
02:28:01,889 --> 02:27:56,680
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2979
02:31:38,580 --> 02:31:35,320
with this doing a little overtime

2980
02:31:43,381 --> 02:31:38,590
lots of UFO news that's going on right

2981
02:31:48,060 --> 02:31:43,391
now and it all started last Wednesday

2982
02:31:51,320 --> 02:31:48,070
down in Mays Brazil and Nick on Thursday

2983
02:31:55,160 --> 02:31:51,330
morning I got an email that had a video

2984
02:31:58,950 --> 02:31:55,170
in it that was shot the night before of

2985
02:32:02,700 --> 02:31:58,960
what appears to me clearly appears to me

2986
02:32:04,620 --> 02:32:02,710
to be a meteorite a meteor or into

2987
02:32:08,280 --> 02:32:04,630
meteorite as it crashed into this

2988
02:32:11,790 --> 02:32:08,290
mountainside down in Maish what had

2989
02:32:17,490 --> 02:32:11,800
happened on Wednesday the night before I

2990
02:32:20,970 --> 02:32:17,500
was inundated with different links to

2991
02:32:24,631 --> 02:32:20,980
these Twitter videos of people all over

2992
02:32:27,841 --> 02:32:24,641
the this town of maize north of Rio de

2993
02:32:29,430 --> 02:32:27,851
Janeiro with lights in the sky so I the

2994
02:32:32,131 --> 02:32:29,440
Wednesday night I was looking at these

2995
02:32:33,600 --> 02:32:32,141
videos and you know all interesting

2996
02:32:36,570 --> 02:32:33,610
we've seen lights in the sky videos

2997
02:32:39,000 --> 02:32:36,580
before different round glowing objects

2998
02:32:42,360 --> 02:32:39,010
different colors and then this video

2999
02:32:44,511 --> 02:32:42,370
pops up the next day of this thing

3000
02:32:48,060 --> 02:32:44,521
crashing into the side of the mountain a

3001
02:32:51,270 --> 02:32:48,070
very strange coincidence to be happening

3002
02:32:54,450 --> 02:32:51,280
at the same time what are the odds the

3003
02:32:57,600 --> 02:32:54,460
odds of a meteor crashing into your town

3004
02:32:59,910 --> 02:32:57,610
in the middle of a UFO flap right now

3005
02:33:02,040 --> 02:32:59,920
the lights have been seen by thousands

3006
02:33:05,730 --> 02:33:02,050
of people and they were posted up all

3007
02:33:09,060 --> 02:33:05,740
over the place and a lot of these videos

3008
02:33:11,070 --> 02:33:09,070
were censored and pulled down off of the

3009
02:33:16,040 --> 02:33:11,080
net and I know that you've read these

3010
02:33:18,450 --> 02:33:16,050
reports from what you have seen so far

3011
02:33:21,631 --> 02:33:18,460
what do you think may or may not be

3012
02:33:25,140 --> 02:33:21,641
going on well I think like a lot of the

3013
02:33:30,740 --> 02:33:25,150
UFO phenomenon it's it's sort of 95

3014
02:33:35,060 --> 02:33:30,750
percent noise five percent signal and I

3015
02:33:37,801 --> 02:33:35,070
put my hand up and confess I have not

3016
02:33:39,451 --> 02:33:37,811
had time to look into this personally I

3017
02:33:41,161 --> 02:33:39,461
mean I

3018
02:33:44,011 --> 02:33:41,171
I've been tied up with a whole bunch of

3019
02:33:46,560 --> 02:33:44,021
other things I'm still dealing with

3020
02:33:49,651 --> 02:33:46,570
media requests for the the Pentagon

3021
02:33:53,461 --> 02:33:49,661
story so I've been totally engaged on on

3022
02:33:55,470 --> 02:33:53,471
that and now you know every time I put

3023
02:33:58,651 --> 02:33:55,480
something up I tell you what you know I

3024
02:34:02,871 --> 02:33:58,661
even put some photos up of some rock

3025
02:34:05,730 --> 02:34:02,881
squirrels at our place in in Tucson and

3026
02:34:07,051 --> 02:34:05,740
under the comments I get PR but what

3027
02:34:09,270 --> 02:34:07,061
what do you think about what's going on

3028
02:34:11,310 --> 02:34:09,280
in Brazil you know I can't I can't do

3029
02:34:14,251 --> 02:34:11,320
anything without getting drawn into this

3030
02:34:16,470 --> 02:34:14,261
I I don't know I've not yet had time to

3031
02:34:20,041 --> 02:34:16,480
look into it personally it's it's

3032
02:34:23,011 --> 02:34:20,051
interesting I'm following it carefully

3033
02:34:25,411 --> 02:34:23,021
but I have not looked into it personally

3034
02:34:28,111 --> 02:34:25,421
I don't have any inside information from

3035
02:34:30,151 --> 02:34:28,121
any of my former colleagues in in

3036
02:34:33,060 --> 02:34:30,161
government military intelligence

3037
02:34:35,720 --> 02:34:33,070
community so I can't I can't add

3038
02:34:39,081 --> 02:34:35,730
anything to this particular story is

3039
02:34:42,901 --> 02:34:39,091
doesn't Brazil historically speaking

3040
02:34:45,361 --> 02:34:42,911
doesn't Brazil like Argentina and like

3041
02:34:53,541 --> 02:34:45,371
Chile you know take the subject of UFOs

3042
02:34:57,901 --> 02:34:53,551
and et Veritas toric Lee that has been

3043
02:35:00,270 --> 02:34:57,911
what has come out of Brazil right yes

3044
02:35:05,401 --> 02:35:00,280
it's absolutely there yeah and it's a

3045
02:35:10,671 --> 02:35:05,411
cultural thing I was in Brazil I was in

3046
02:35:16,230 --> 02:35:10,681
Brazil for a couple of weeks last year

3047
02:35:19,041 --> 02:35:16,240
at the invitation of hae Avadh and we we

3048
02:35:26,041 --> 02:35:19,051
went around a number of different cities

3049
02:35:28,501 --> 02:35:26,051
there Curitiba Recife San Paulo and and

3050
02:35:32,190 --> 02:35:28,511
and some other places and I really got

3051
02:35:34,741 --> 02:35:32,200
got a sense of the Brazilian culture and

3052
02:35:38,011 --> 02:35:34,751
the people and the great hospitality and

3053
02:35:39,751 --> 02:35:38,021
then you know marvelous people down

3054
02:35:42,361 --> 02:35:39,761
there and it is very different there

3055
02:35:46,111 --> 02:35:42,371
there is a you know a real difference in

3056
02:35:49,170 --> 02:35:46,121
openness about this but you know none of

3057
02:35:51,540 --> 02:35:49,180
that I'm afraid gives me an insight into

3058
02:35:54,569 --> 02:35:51,550
what's just happened down there but it

3059
02:35:56,790 --> 02:35:54,579
does does tell me that absolutely the

3060
02:36:00,359 --> 02:35:56,800
government has taken it seriously the

3061
02:36:02,969 --> 02:36:00,369
military has investigated of course we

3062
02:36:06,260 --> 02:36:02,979
know that to the Stars campaign and that

3063
02:36:11,099 --> 02:36:06,270
to the Stars Academy have have looked at

3064
02:36:13,889 --> 02:36:11,109
at this and they they've been down there

3065
02:36:15,330 --> 02:36:13,899
too so interesting times some

3066
02:36:19,229 --> 02:36:15,340
interesting things going on down there

3067
02:36:21,750 --> 02:36:19,239
for sure yeah why is it and I made this

3068
02:36:25,159 --> 02:36:21,760
comment well a couple of times over the

3069
02:36:30,149 --> 02:36:25,169
last couple of weeks but the UFO

3070
02:36:32,819 --> 02:36:30,159
mythology and this community every time

3071
02:36:35,159 --> 02:36:32,829
it seems that we're sorry excuse me

3072
02:36:38,659 --> 02:36:35,169
something in my throat every time that

3073
02:36:41,609 --> 02:36:38,669
we start to settle down and relax

3074
02:36:45,359 --> 02:36:41,619
there's another big story and something

3075
02:36:49,080 --> 02:36:45,369
breaking that gets your heart and your

3076
02:36:51,449 --> 02:36:49,090
adrenalin pumping more than things in

3077
02:36:53,790 --> 02:36:51,459
the past it's like the gift that keeps

3078
02:36:57,059 --> 02:36:53,800
on giving right do you feel the same

3079
02:36:59,489 --> 02:36:57,069
thing that it's it's not going to go

3080
02:37:03,319 --> 02:36:59,499
away that things are going to continue

3081
02:37:08,239 --> 02:37:03,329
to get more serious and more revealing

3082
02:37:11,130 --> 02:37:08,249
yes I often like to say when people say

3083
02:37:14,010 --> 02:37:11,140
what do you think's coming next when is

3084
02:37:17,460 --> 02:37:14,020
the other shoe going to drop whatever

3085
02:37:20,250 --> 02:37:17,470
the phrase people use I always remind

3086
02:37:25,229 --> 02:37:20,260
folks that this is an events led field

3087
02:37:27,630 --> 02:37:25,239
and and I I've often said and I'm you

3088
02:37:30,510 --> 02:37:27,640
know maybe this will turn out to be a

3089
02:37:33,409 --> 02:37:30,520
true prediction with what's going on in

3090
02:37:36,659 --> 02:37:33,419
Brazil but I always say one never knows

3091
02:37:39,779 --> 02:37:36,669
suddenly and unexpectedly from left

3092
02:37:42,659 --> 02:37:39,789
field when the next Roswell or the next

3093
02:37:46,439 --> 02:37:42,669
Rendlesham forest will suddenly come do

3094
02:37:50,699 --> 02:37:46,449
you think that Roswell was the ability

3095
02:37:53,429 --> 02:37:50,709
to learn the art of the cover-up and not

3096
02:37:56,880 --> 02:37:53,439
to say that Roswell was alien and et or

3097
02:38:00,940 --> 02:37:56,890
that it wasn't but certainly the the

3098
02:38:05,860 --> 02:38:00,950
story changed many times all the way up

3099
02:38:09,250 --> 02:38:05,870
to the GAO report in in in the 90s where

3100
02:38:12,310 --> 02:38:09,260
the story constantly changed with

3101
02:38:16,630 --> 02:38:12,320
roswell was that how the art of the

3102
02:38:19,240 --> 02:38:16,640
cover-up with this stuff started I don't

3103
02:38:22,450 --> 02:38:19,250
know that it's how it started but it was

3104
02:38:27,580 --> 02:38:22,460
certainly where it was demonstrated and

3105
02:38:29,710 --> 02:38:27,590
as you say one doesn't need to postulate

3106
02:38:34,920 --> 02:38:29,720
that this was extraterrestrial or or

3107
02:38:38,530 --> 02:38:34,930
terrestrial or whatever to say that

3108
02:38:41,520 --> 02:38:38,540
undoubtedly this is a perfect example of

3109
02:38:45,250 --> 02:38:41,530
where there was one story on day one and

3110
02:38:50,470 --> 02:38:45,260
a completely different story on day two

3111
02:38:53,530 --> 02:38:50,480
and the flip took place almost

3112
02:38:56,140 --> 02:38:53,540
seamlessly and so yes answering your

3113
02:38:59,140 --> 02:38:56,150
question absolutely if it's not where

3114
02:39:02,200 --> 02:38:59,150
the art of the cover-up was was born or

3115
02:39:06,551 --> 02:39:02,210
or even perfected it was certainly where

3116
02:39:09,790 --> 02:39:06,561
it was eloquently demonstrated why is it

3117
02:39:12,310 --> 02:39:09,800
that Nick it and it doesn't matter

3118
02:39:15,580 --> 02:39:12,320
it doesn't matter what the subject is

3119
02:39:18,940 --> 02:39:15,590
with ufology or wherever your research

3120
02:39:22,870 --> 02:39:18,950
is leading you wherever you go in any

3121
02:39:26,610 --> 02:39:22,880
direction the trail doesn't end right

3122
02:39:28,990 --> 02:39:26,620
that nothing gets resolved why is that

3123
02:39:32,320 --> 02:39:29,000
well because this is a story that's

3124
02:39:34,840 --> 02:39:32,330
still being written and it's a story

3125
02:39:37,990 --> 02:39:34,850
that has a beginning in the middle but

3126
02:39:41,320 --> 02:39:38,000
we don't yet have the end yet because a

3127
02:39:44,320 --> 02:39:41,330
classic example of that is one that is

3128
02:39:47,051 --> 02:39:44,330
you know the most tangible which is

3129
02:39:49,301 --> 02:39:47,061
Rendlesham right it's right there in

3130
02:39:51,340 --> 02:39:49,311
front of us it's it's right there all of

3131
02:39:54,820 --> 02:39:51,350
the evidence and the research that we

3132
02:39:57,730 --> 02:39:54,830
can handle is right in front of us and

3133
02:39:59,890 --> 02:39:57,740
we still can't get to the bottom right

3134
02:40:03,220 --> 02:39:59,900
psyche we can't now you might say what

3135
02:40:04,930 --> 02:40:03,230
more do people want but yeah there is

3136
02:40:07,720 --> 02:40:04,940
always more there'll always be a new

3137
02:40:09,551 --> 02:40:07,730
witness a new document a new theory and

3138
02:40:11,261 --> 02:40:09,561
we're coming up to the 40th anniversary

3139
02:40:13,660 --> 02:40:11,271
this December

3140
02:40:17,560 --> 02:40:13,670
my goodness you know perhaps you and I

3141
02:40:19,390 --> 02:40:17,570
will be doing interviews about this when

3142
02:40:22,540 --> 02:40:19,400
we come up to the 80th anniversary yeah

3143
02:40:28,030 --> 02:40:22,550
we certainly will yeah we certainly will

3144
02:40:30,820 --> 02:40:28,040
and what is your explanation for I've

3145
02:40:34,360 --> 02:40:30,830
done I've done interviews not only with

3146
02:40:36,700 --> 02:40:34,370
you but every player in Rendlesham I've

3147
02:40:40,480 --> 02:40:36,710
done stuff privately I've done stuff off

3148
02:40:43,750 --> 02:40:40,490
of the record and and have had things

3149
02:40:47,500 --> 02:40:43,760
revealed to me but the one thing that I

3150
02:40:53,591 --> 02:40:47,510
have walked away from is that nobody at

3151
02:40:55,961 --> 02:40:53,601
Rendlesham has a shared experience why

3152
02:40:58,711 --> 02:40:55,971
don't you find that the most interesting

3153
02:41:01,690 --> 02:40:58,721
that everybody has a different

3154
02:41:06,190 --> 02:41:01,700
recollection and a different take on

3155
02:41:08,770 --> 02:41:06,200
Rendlesham forest absolutely I I don't

3156
02:41:10,810 --> 02:41:08,780
want to quote myself and I certainly

3157
02:41:14,740 --> 02:41:10,820
don't want to misquote myself but I

3158
02:41:16,990 --> 02:41:14,750
think I am going somewhere in encounter

3159
02:41:21,040 --> 02:41:17,000
in Rendlesham forest where I talk about

3160
02:41:25,060 --> 02:41:21,050
the first night borrows Penniston and

3161
02:41:28,091 --> 02:41:25,070
qivana sag I write a line and it's

3162
02:41:30,310 --> 02:41:28,101
something like three people walked into

3163
02:41:32,580 --> 02:41:30,320
the forest that night and each of them

3164
02:41:36,671 --> 02:41:32,590
came out with a different story and

3165
02:41:39,040 --> 02:41:36,681
that's not to say any of them were

3166
02:41:42,820 --> 02:41:39,050
making anything up what I'm talking

3167
02:41:45,011 --> 02:41:42,830
about there is is firstly the fact that

3168
02:41:46,830 --> 02:41:45,021
these people are different individuals

3169
02:41:49,780 --> 02:41:46,840
different characters different

3170
02:41:53,381 --> 02:41:49,790
personalities different perceptions and

3171
02:41:55,511 --> 02:41:53,391
belief systems but secondly who's to say

3172
02:41:58,450 --> 02:41:55,521
that they did actually experience the

3173
02:42:01,240 --> 02:41:58,460
same thing there's there's a there's

3174
02:42:04,000 --> 02:42:01,250
always the kind of the variable the

3175
02:42:06,580 --> 02:42:04,010
trickster the the uncertainty principle

3176
02:42:09,011 --> 02:42:06,590
with a lot of this and we just don't

3177
02:42:10,900 --> 02:42:09,021
know sometimes sometimes it's not what

3178
02:42:13,900 --> 02:42:10,910
you want to hear you know people like

3179
02:42:16,810 --> 02:42:13,910
neat answers and perfect solutions but

3180
02:42:19,530 --> 02:42:16,820
I'm sorry in this subject that's not

3181
02:42:22,720 --> 02:42:19,540
what you're dealing with and there is

3182
02:42:25,810 --> 02:42:22,730
and I can tour myself into

3183
02:42:28,751 --> 02:42:25,820
this section of people it is very

3184
02:42:30,701 --> 02:42:28,761
difficult to change our minds once

3185
02:42:32,860 --> 02:42:30,711
they've been made up right I've been

3186
02:42:36,251 --> 02:42:32,870
looking at Rendlesham since it first

3187
02:42:38,261 --> 02:42:36,261
surfaced I've looked at and listen to

3188
02:42:41,051 --> 02:42:38,271
and spoke you know all of this evidence

3189
02:42:43,690 --> 02:42:41,061
and I've come to my own conclusions and

3190
02:42:46,331 --> 02:42:43,700
then when we and I'm just like everybody

3191
02:42:49,001 --> 02:42:46,341
else in the UFO community Nick and then

3192
02:42:51,551 --> 02:42:49,011
he suggests something like time travel

3193
02:42:54,820 --> 02:42:51,561
from Penniston and I have to back up I

3194
02:42:58,270 --> 02:42:54,830
listen to everybody but is this is this

3195
02:43:02,140 --> 02:42:58,280
enough for me to change my mind when

3196
02:43:04,150 --> 02:43:02,150
indeed he was there I wasn't there and

3197
02:43:05,980 --> 02:43:04,160
neither was the rest of the UFO

3198
02:43:10,751 --> 02:43:05,990
community and that includes Nick Redfern

3199
02:43:13,091 --> 02:43:10,761
in in the new book it's people's belief

3200
02:43:15,940 --> 02:43:13,101
systems are going to be what they are

3201
02:43:18,400 --> 02:43:15,950
and it is difficult to change them and

3202
02:43:22,211 --> 02:43:18,410
that includes all of the witnesses right

3203
02:43:25,150 --> 02:43:22,221
it does but you know what if if this if

3204
02:43:27,730 --> 02:43:25,160
my government involvement in this has

3205
02:43:31,600 --> 02:43:27,740
taught me one thing it's taught me that

3206
02:43:35,801 --> 02:43:31,610
when I hear somebody say I don't know or

3207
02:43:38,711 --> 02:43:35,811
I've changed my mind I pay more

3208
02:43:40,961 --> 02:43:38,721
attention to that person than I do to

3209
02:43:43,411 --> 02:43:40,971
the person who jabs his finger at me and

3210
02:43:46,780 --> 02:43:43,421
says let me tell you what this was right

3211
02:43:48,970 --> 02:43:46,790
right right yeah truer words have never

3212
02:43:52,841 --> 02:43:48,980
been spoken you know and I try to

3213
02:43:54,581 --> 02:43:52,851
instill that in everybody because now

3214
02:43:57,190 --> 02:43:54,591
today I'm not

3215
02:43:59,711 --> 02:43:57,200
yeah I'm not necessarily leaning on a

3216
02:44:02,831 --> 02:43:59,721
government experiment but the time

3217
02:44:05,201 --> 02:44:02,841
travel aspect as suggested by Penniston

3218
02:44:08,770 --> 02:44:05,211
is is something that we need to take a

3219
02:44:12,100 --> 02:44:08,780
closer look at and and we can't dismiss

3220
02:44:15,100 --> 02:44:12,110
that and certainly we can't dismiss the

3221
02:44:18,371 --> 02:44:15,110
one witness the one witness that was

3222
02:44:20,411 --> 02:44:18,381
physically there touching this craft we

3223
02:44:23,980 --> 02:44:20,421
have to listen to him more closely than

3224
02:44:26,951 --> 02:44:23,990
others I would think right indeed those

3225
02:44:32,740 --> 02:44:26,961
who were there should be listened to now

3226
02:44:34,480 --> 02:44:32,750
when when you were at the mo Dee and I

3227
02:44:36,420 --> 02:44:34,490
know that you've been presented these

3228
02:44:40,080 --> 02:44:36,430
questions of these ideas for

3229
02:44:44,610 --> 02:44:40,090
long time but how was the mo D looking

3230
02:44:47,580 --> 02:44:44,620
at Rendlesham from a defense and

3231
02:44:51,229 --> 02:44:47,590
national security perspective all these

3232
02:44:55,309 --> 02:44:51,239
events were will looked at in that way

3233
02:44:58,590 --> 02:44:55,319
these were in and of themselves

3234
02:45:01,410 --> 02:44:58,600
incursions into the United Kingdom air

3235
02:45:06,120 --> 02:45:01,420
defense region and and were treated as

3236
02:45:08,460 --> 02:45:06,130
such but it was there was there a United

3237
02:45:10,290 --> 02:45:08,470
States Air Force aspect to this too as

3238
02:45:12,599 --> 02:45:10,300
well even though it happened on the

3239
02:45:17,309 --> 02:45:12,609
other side of the fence right absolutely

3240
02:45:21,330 --> 02:45:17,319
yes yes I mean these this was British

3241
02:45:26,479 --> 02:45:21,340
soil but youssef bases and and there was

3242
02:45:28,950 --> 02:45:26,489
a whole bunch of agreements and

3243
02:45:32,040 --> 02:45:28,960
legislation that the overarching

3244
02:45:36,139 --> 02:45:32,050
agreement was the the NATO Status of

3245
02:45:38,340 --> 02:45:36,149
Forces Agreement but many many different

3246
02:45:40,860 --> 02:45:38,350
agreements and memoranda of

3247
02:45:44,599 --> 02:45:40,870
understanding governing they're very

3248
02:45:47,010 --> 02:45:44,609
very complex the your procedural

3249
02:45:49,110 --> 02:45:47,020
administrative interrelationship between

3250
02:45:53,219 --> 02:45:49,120
the British and the American government

3251
02:45:57,030 --> 02:45:53,229
here now much has been made with with

3252
02:45:59,729 --> 02:45:57,040
Malmstrom and UFO activity over

3253
02:46:01,830 --> 02:45:59,739
different nuclear missile sites well

3254
02:46:04,110 --> 02:46:01,840
documented and discussed for many years

3255
02:46:06,920 --> 02:46:04,120
and you're familiar with all of that but

3256
02:46:10,200 --> 02:46:06,930
certainly this question has come up with

3257
02:46:16,170 --> 02:46:10,210
Woodbridge and Rendlesham whether there

3258
02:46:18,630 --> 02:46:16,180
was nuclear weapons there or not the

3259
02:46:20,790 --> 02:46:18,640
official stances there wasn't there was

3260
02:46:23,820 --> 02:46:20,800
no nuclear weapons by the United States

3261
02:46:26,490 --> 02:46:23,830
Air Force on British soil it was this a

3262
02:46:30,179 --> 02:46:26,500
concern for the mo D when these

3263
02:46:34,349 --> 02:46:30,189
revelations started to show up well I'm

3264
02:46:36,689 --> 02:46:34,359
fairly sure that that the line was that

3265
02:46:39,630 --> 02:46:36,699
we neither confirm nor deny the presence

3266
02:46:43,469 --> 02:46:39,640
of nuclear weapons at any specific

3267
02:46:45,389 --> 02:46:43,479
location at any particular time and

3268
02:46:48,520 --> 02:46:45,399
that's a line that I'm going to have to

3269
02:46:51,400 --> 02:46:48,530
speak right but

3270
02:46:56,261 --> 02:46:51,410
I'm speaking directly about the UFO

3271
02:46:58,990 --> 02:46:56,271
aspect of this when Colonel halts as

3272
02:47:04,591 --> 02:46:59,000
you're well aware of said that there

3273
02:47:08,200 --> 02:47:04,601
were lights above these ammunition

3274
02:47:11,261 --> 02:47:08,210
bunkers that were beaming down lights

3275
02:47:12,850 --> 02:47:11,271
towards these facilities that would

3276
02:47:16,860 --> 02:47:12,860
indicate that they were looking at the

3277
02:47:19,990 --> 02:47:16,870
weapons nuclear or not right

3278
02:47:23,051 --> 02:47:20,000
yes Colonel Holt has certainly referred

3279
02:47:27,841 --> 02:47:23,061
as have others to the weapons storage

3280
02:47:31,240 --> 02:47:27,851
areas but I think Colonel Holt and I are

3281
02:47:34,180 --> 02:47:31,250
very very careful not to discuss what

3282
02:47:36,671 --> 02:47:34,190
specific types of ordnance may or may

3283
02:47:39,700 --> 02:47:36,681
not have been involved yeah and he is

3284
02:47:42,310 --> 02:47:39,710
yes stated that very clearly Hunnish he

3285
02:47:46,930 --> 02:47:42,320
will not he will not go there which I

3286
02:47:50,110 --> 02:47:46,940
understand but it seems to me that if

3287
02:47:52,780 --> 02:47:50,120
this is et that they are really

3288
02:47:54,910 --> 02:47:52,790
interested in our technology and our

3289
02:47:57,671 --> 02:47:54,920
research and certainly offensive and

3290
02:47:59,881 --> 02:47:57,681
defensive weapons that the curiosity

3291
02:48:04,720 --> 02:47:59,891
seems to be there for them doesn't it

3292
02:48:07,690 --> 02:48:04,730
well I I think you could one can make

3293
02:48:09,430 --> 02:48:07,700
very few realistic assumptions about

3294
02:48:11,711 --> 02:48:09,440
what an extraterrestrial civilization

3295
02:48:14,290 --> 02:48:11,721
may or may not be interested in from a

3296
02:48:16,751 --> 02:48:14,300
sort of scientific technical and through

3297
02:48:19,570 --> 02:48:16,761
logical perspective but I think one

3298
02:48:21,400 --> 02:48:19,580
thing that you could say is a fair

3299
02:48:23,671 --> 02:48:21,410
assumption is that they would be

3300
02:48:26,410 --> 02:48:23,681
interested in the cutting edge of our

3301
02:48:30,100 --> 02:48:26,420
technology and in any technology that

3302
02:48:33,220 --> 02:48:30,110
might pose a threat yeah because I don't

3303
02:48:38,290 --> 02:48:33,230
hear I don't hear reports about UFOs

3304
02:48:43,301 --> 02:48:38,300
over a donut factory right because

3305
02:48:47,860 --> 02:48:43,311
they've been covered up and I always

3306
02:48:51,580 --> 02:48:47,870
find that interesting and that the focus

3307
02:48:53,140 --> 02:48:51,590
even for civilians that have nothing to

3308
02:48:56,921 --> 02:48:53,150
do with the military and they don't

3309
02:48:59,951 --> 02:48:56,931
follow that aspect of our lives but

3310
02:49:01,600 --> 02:48:59,961
their reports and and and the things

3311
02:49:04,480 --> 02:49:01,610
that they have seen over military

3312
02:49:06,190 --> 02:49:04,490
installations is is always very

3313
02:49:09,491 --> 02:49:06,200
interesting to me because I don't hear

3314
02:49:12,491 --> 02:49:09,501
about you know an alien abduction at a

3315
02:49:14,770 --> 02:49:12,501
McDonald's or in-and-out burger in

3316
02:49:18,041 --> 02:49:14,780
downtown Tucson I don't hear those

3317
02:49:22,930 --> 02:49:18,051
reports it's always an interest in in

3318
02:49:26,051 --> 02:49:22,940
our technology yes I think that's a fair

3319
02:49:27,970 --> 02:49:26,061
assumption Nick Pope what's next for you

3320
02:49:31,241 --> 02:49:27,980
would it now I know that you're how are

3321
02:49:34,211 --> 02:49:31,251
you doing with this stay at home stuff

3322
02:49:37,180 --> 02:49:34,221
or are you behaving and have you gotten

3323
02:49:39,251 --> 02:49:37,190
your haircut well you know what

3324
02:49:42,461 --> 02:49:39,261
Elizabeth cuts my hair all the time

3325
02:49:45,520 --> 02:49:42,471
anyway has done for years so and very

3326
02:49:47,951 --> 02:49:45,530
well to I should say and so everything

3327
02:49:51,881 --> 02:49:47,961
you see in TV is all all hair by

3328
02:49:57,611 --> 02:49:51,891
Elizabeth so so no change there I'm

3329
02:50:02,261 --> 02:49:57,621
pleased to say that that curve is being

3330
02:50:05,081 --> 02:50:02,271
flattened we've done our 14-day national

3331
02:50:07,031 --> 02:50:05,091
shutdown which mysteriously sake wade

3332
02:50:10,421 --> 02:50:07,041
into two months but that's another story

3333
02:50:15,131 --> 02:50:10,431
and Arizona certainly where I am now is

3334
02:50:17,741 --> 02:50:15,141
is reopening so that's all good are you

3335
02:50:19,690 --> 02:50:17,751
gonna be speaking are you going to start

3336
02:50:22,901 --> 02:50:19,700
to venture out is there anything that

3337
02:50:26,671 --> 02:50:22,911
you're going to be doing in 2020 oh well

3338
02:50:29,171 --> 02:50:26,681
we're venturing out anyway I mean I know

3339
02:50:32,230 --> 02:50:29,181
this is a whole nother show of course

3340
02:50:34,831 --> 02:50:32,240
and and whether you agree or not but I I

3341
02:50:39,100 --> 02:50:34,841
think unless you're in one of the

3342
02:50:41,861 --> 02:50:39,110
categories sadly but genuinely affected

3343
02:50:45,491 --> 02:50:41,871
by this you're not at any particular

3344
02:50:47,560 --> 02:50:45,501
risk so so I'm I'm not worried but

3345
02:50:51,881 --> 02:50:47,570
obviously we have to follow whatever

3346
02:50:55,241 --> 02:50:51,891
regulations are sort of put down and it

3347
02:50:58,180 --> 02:50:55,251
may well be that the the conference and

3348
02:51:00,640 --> 02:50:58,190
convention scene is is on hold for a

3349
02:51:03,701 --> 02:51:00,650
while longer that's fine

3350
02:51:07,810 --> 02:51:03,711
you know I'm still doing various other

3351
02:51:09,530 --> 02:51:07,820
things I'm doing obviously one thing

3352
02:51:12,470 --> 02:51:09,540
that you've probably seen

3353
02:51:15,110 --> 02:51:12,480
a lot of is the basement office this new

3354
02:51:17,690 --> 02:51:15,120
series that Stephen green Street at New

3355
02:51:20,870 --> 02:51:17,700
York Post and I are doing so that's

3356
02:51:24,050 --> 02:51:20,880
that's fun and interesting conferences

3357
02:51:27,440 --> 02:51:24,060
will be back I'm sure hopefully later

3358
02:51:31,150 --> 02:51:27,450
this year if not bank with of Ancients

3359
02:51:34,150 --> 02:51:31,160
in in 2021 I think people people miss

3360
02:51:38,990 --> 02:51:34,160
that that sort of personal interaction

3361
02:51:41,780 --> 02:51:39,000
that socializing and will will be ready

3362
02:51:43,880 --> 02:51:41,790
to rock when when everything gets back

3363
02:51:47,210 --> 02:51:43,890
to normal where can everybody see the

3364
02:51:50,660 --> 02:51:47,220
basement series it's on the New York

3365
02:51:53,870 --> 02:51:50,670
Post's website and on their YouTube

3366
02:51:56,990 --> 02:51:53,880
channel and and also Stephen green

3367
02:52:02,530 --> 02:51:57,000
Street and who's the creator and host of

3368
02:52:05,690 --> 02:52:02,540
this and and and myself we we tweet it

3369
02:52:07,880 --> 02:52:05,700
when every episode goes live and and the

3370
02:52:11,240 --> 02:52:07,890
new episodes go live every every

3371
02:52:14,420 --> 02:52:11,250
Wednesday yeah I've been watching them

3372
02:52:17,300 --> 02:52:14,430
and and I gotta say a really good stuff

3373
02:52:20,660 --> 02:52:17,310
Nick thank you yeah it's it's been a

3374
02:52:22,460 --> 02:52:20,670
real sort of left-field hit people are

3375
02:52:26,390 --> 02:52:22,470
very used to the kind of traditional

3376
02:52:28,250 --> 02:52:26,400
format of UFO shows on on TV this is

3377
02:52:30,710 --> 02:52:28,260
something new and it seems to have

3378
02:52:33,230 --> 02:52:30,720
bridge the gap between the newcomers and

3379
02:52:35,540 --> 02:52:33,240
the deep specialists both of whom like

3380
02:52:38,900 --> 02:52:35,550
it and that's a really tough balance to

3381
02:52:41,530 --> 02:52:38,910
get get right yeah do you think that now

3382
02:52:44,840 --> 02:52:41,540
that you guys are venturing into this

3383
02:52:47,270 --> 02:52:44,850
and and it is great and and the views

3384
02:52:50,090 --> 02:52:47,280
out there have been and the response has

3385
02:52:54,080 --> 02:52:50,100
been really cool and but on on the other

3386
02:52:57,410 --> 02:52:54,090
side of all of this is what YouTube and

3387
02:52:59,860 --> 02:52:57,420
and Twitter and Facebook and others that

3388
02:53:03,830 --> 02:52:59,870
are dealing with some of these topics

3389
02:53:05,780 --> 02:53:03,840
with censorship did do you think that

3390
02:53:10,400 --> 02:53:05,790
that is something that maybe Facebook

3391
02:53:13,580 --> 02:53:10,410
and everybody should back off of the

3392
02:53:16,640 --> 02:53:13,590
censorship in these fringe areas yeah I

3393
02:53:20,990 --> 02:53:16,650
think unless something really literally

3394
02:53:22,430 --> 02:53:21,000
physically harms someone one one should

3395
02:53:25,400 --> 02:53:22,440
take your very hands on

3396
02:53:29,261 --> 02:53:25,410
approach with this sort of thing and I

3397
02:53:33,831 --> 02:53:29,271
think certainly the basement office has

3398
02:53:37,490 --> 02:53:33,841
really I think given people in insight

3399
02:53:40,070 --> 02:53:37,500
into this newcomers and and old hands

3400
02:53:42,350 --> 02:53:40,080
alike yeah thank you so much Nick what a

3401
02:53:45,140 --> 02:53:42,360
great conversation and everything is

3402
02:53:47,030 --> 02:53:45,150
over at Nick Pope dotnet too as well in

3403
02:53:49,940 --> 02:53:47,040
the links or over at Jimmy Church radio

3404
02:53:53,921 --> 02:53:49,950
calm Nick be safe out there and I look

3405
02:53:56,600 --> 02:53:53,931
forward to seeing you soon it's spin

3406
02:53:57,671 --> 02:53:56,610
chat to you again you're the best Thank

3407
02:54:02,121 --> 02:53:57,681
You Nick

3408
02:54:04,871 --> 02:54:02,131
Nick Pope and again Nick Pope dotnet and

3409
02:54:09,041 --> 02:54:04,881
the links are over at Jimmy Church

3410
02:54:13,881 --> 02:54:09,051
radio.com what a great conversation now

3411
02:54:16,371 --> 02:54:13,891
a couple of takeaways before we sign off

3412
02:54:19,341 --> 02:54:16,381
tonight I know that everybody caught

3413
02:54:23,360 --> 02:54:19,351
this and I was watching the action there

3414
02:54:25,911 --> 02:54:23,370
on Twitter when Nick said and I'm

3415
02:54:29,690 --> 02:54:25,921
wondering what kind of slip it was where

3416
02:54:34,640 --> 02:54:29,700
he said that he was mostly gone now I'm

3417
02:54:37,131 --> 02:54:34,650
not here to I'm not here to put

3418
02:54:41,720 --> 02:54:37,141
suspicion on whether Nick is still with

3419
02:54:44,060 --> 02:54:41,730
the mo D or not he has clearly retired

3420
02:54:51,261 --> 02:54:44,070
that part I have no issue with at all

3421
02:54:55,310 --> 02:54:51,271
but I think he has the ability to reach

3422
02:54:59,421 --> 02:54:55,320
out when he has to or the flip side that

3423
02:55:01,881 --> 02:54:59,431
they know Nick is well-spoken and and he

3424
02:55:03,860 --> 02:55:01,891
is listened to and respected in the UFO

3425
02:55:04,970 --> 02:55:03,870
community and if there is something that

3426
02:55:08,331 --> 02:55:04,980
needs to be said

3427
02:55:11,180 --> 02:55:08,341
maybe it's back channeled to him and I

3428
02:55:14,421 --> 02:55:11,190
would hope that that is the way that it

3429
02:55:18,890 --> 02:55:14,431
is I don't look at it any other way

3430
02:55:23,841 --> 02:55:18,900
I enjoyed the slip though and that is

3431
02:55:27,081 --> 02:55:23,851
the one thing about live radio there are

3432
02:55:30,440 --> 02:55:27,091
no take-backs you can't do an overdub

3433
02:55:32,390 --> 02:55:30,450
you can't punch in the vocals you can't

3434
02:55:35,091 --> 02:55:32,400
click rewind

3435
02:55:38,180 --> 02:55:35,101
and we all caught that and he caught

3436
02:55:40,640 --> 02:55:38,190
himself too but I think that that is a

3437
02:55:44,810 --> 02:55:40,650
very revealing statement in that well

3438
02:55:47,480 --> 02:55:44,820
you know yeah mostly but if they you

3439
02:55:51,051 --> 02:55:47,490
would hope that Nick does have access

3440
02:55:54,140 --> 02:55:51,061
and that people have access to him if

3441
02:55:56,450 --> 02:55:54,150
need be and I think that is probably the

3442
02:56:00,650 --> 02:55:56,460
mostly comment I'll leave it up the rest

3443
02:56:03,200 --> 02:56:00,660
leave look the rest of you to to read

3444
02:56:05,570 --> 02:56:03,210
into that but I really enjoyed it and

3445
02:56:08,961 --> 02:56:05,580
that is the best part of live radio when

3446
02:56:13,131 --> 02:56:08,971
something like that happens so there you

3447
02:56:14,990 --> 02:56:13,141
go again we have an amazing week here

3448
02:56:18,770 --> 02:56:15,000
coming up on fade to black of course

3449
02:56:22,341 --> 02:56:18,780
tonight Nick Pope tomorrow night Gregg

3450
02:56:24,501 --> 02:56:22,351
Housh is here and what is happening

3451
02:56:28,310 --> 02:56:24,511
right now and the news of this over the

3452
02:56:31,970 --> 02:56:28,320
weekend as it broke was absolutely

3453
02:56:37,791 --> 02:56:31,980
shocking and to have our evil a hacking

3454
02:56:40,610 --> 02:56:37,801
group successfully get to rob Grubman

3455
02:56:43,940 --> 02:56:40,620
and his New York entertainment law firm

3456
02:56:46,910 --> 02:56:43,950
that represents the very top of the

3457
02:56:51,140 --> 02:56:46,920
entertainment industry and to get 700

3458
02:56:54,591 --> 02:56:51,150
gigabytes of personal data from his

3459
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systems that were supposedly very secure

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in lockdown and then to turn around and

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double the ransom for from 21 million

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dollars to 42 stating that they had dirt

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on President Trump this is what is

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interesting about that and why we're

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bringing a Greg on to the show tomorrow

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night

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one is to how you breach the security

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and the significance of it but the other

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part of it is there was nothing that was

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done wrong normally by this law firm

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normally these hacks happen because they

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need to make an example of somebody and

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and somebody misbehaved that clearly

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isn't the case here and second president

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Trump was never a client of theirs well

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at least that we know of but what was in

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these files

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that apparently are evil felt that they

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needed to double the ransom from 21

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million dollars to 42 million dollars

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and this is the next part of this

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question okay are evil there's a problem

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with both sides our evil needs to call

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their own bluff they said seven days pay

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up or we're going to reveal this dirt if

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they're not paid up in seven days are

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evils got to represent the hacker

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community you can't you can't was out

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and on the other side and that is with

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the law firm they have to stick to their

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02:58:37,070 --> 02:58:35,010
guns right you can't pay a ransom can

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you because if you do there's no

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guarantee that these files are never

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going to see the light of day it's a

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very perplexing paradox that everybody

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concerned here finds themselves in and

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that's why Gregg Housh is here tomorrow

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02:58:58,040 --> 02:58:54,750
night and see Wednesday night Robert

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Schoch Thursday night Linda Moulton Howe

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